Christ IS Come VS Spirit of Anti Christ

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  1. Seth3

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    CHRIST IS COME IN THE FLESH VERSES SPIRIT OF ANTI CHRIST

    The inspired written continues in I Jn. 2:22-23 saying, "Who is a liar but he that denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denies the Father and the Son. Whosoever denies the Son, the same has not the Father: but he that acknowledges the Son has the Father also." But what does he mean here when he speaks of denying the Father and the Son? Let us make no mistake about this. Fortunately, a little further on John himself enlarges on this statement so that we need not be left in the dark. "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they be of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know you the Spirit of God: EVERY SPIRIT THAT CONFESSES THAT JESUS CHRIST IS COME IN THE FLESH IS OF GOD: and every spirit that confesses not that Jesus Christ is come In the flesh is not of God: and THIS IS THAT SPIRIT OF ANTICHRIST, whereof you have heard that it should come; and even now already is in the world" (I Jn. 4:1-3).

    Now let us get these statements clear in our minds. John declares an antichrist to be one who denies that Jesus is the Christ, which is denying the Father and the Son. But how does he do this? BY NOT CONFESSING JESUS CHRIST HAVING COME IN THE FLESH! But what does this mean? It states that we know the Spirit of God by His confessing Jesus Christ having come in the flesh. Does this mean that Roman Catholicism is the Spirit of God? It confesses that Jesus Christ was a man, born of a virgin. It confesses that He came in the flesh as a babe in Bethlehem. They even parade Him before the world hanging on a cross, crucified. Millions of others around the world, representing every kind of religion and false cult existing, including the Moslem, admit the same historical facts. Do all of these represent the Spirit of God?

    These verses must have a deeper meaning! It is not considering the fact of Jesus Christ having lived on earth as a man. Anyone will admit that. But the profound truth which all of popular religion has missed, is the fact of the Christ actually coming into this flesh, my flesh, your flesh, and becoming an eternal and inseparable part of us! "And every spirit that confesses not that Jesus Christ IS (now) COME in the flesh is not of God: and THIS is that spirit of antichrist... you are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is HE THAT IS IN Y-O-U, than he that IS IN the world" (I Jn. 4:3-4). Every spirit that confesses not that Jesus Christ I-S come in the flesh - is antichrist! Why? BECAUSE: Greater is He that IS IN YOU (your flesh), than he (the spirit of antichrist) that IS IN the world!

    "Christ lives IN ME," Paul wrote in Gal. 2:20. Again in Col. 1:27 he wrote, "Christ IN YOU, the hope of glory." THIS is the Christ Who has come in the flesh: He that IS IN YOU, and will never leave nor forsake you (Heb. 13:5). And this is eternal life: being joined eternally and inseparably to God by means of the Christ within. This is the Christ from Whose love no power nor creature in heaven or under heaven can separate us (Rom. 8:35-39). John declares, "Beloved, now are we the Sons of God" (I Jn. 3:2). And Paul adds, "And because you are Sons, God has SENT FORTH THE SPIRIT OF HIS SON INTO YOUR HEARTS. Wherefore you are no more a servant, but a Son" (Gal. 4:6-7). THIS is the Christ that IS come in the flesh!

    Paul preached not himself, but Christ Jesus the Lord. After stating this himself, he follows on to say, "But this treasure (Christ) WE HAVE IN EARTHEN VESSELS" (II Cor. 4:7). On another occasion Paul writes to the Galatians and calls them his little children "...of whom I travail in birth again until CHRIST be formed IN YOU" (Gal. 4:19).

    It is only the formation of the Christ of God within us that will ever bring us into our true stature and relationship to our Father. Sonship is the actual birth of the Christ creature who becomes the new man within, the new me, the new you. He is both ageless and deathless, the actual Son of the God of heaven. He abides eternally in this human frame, even as He abides eternally in Jesus to perform His mighty works. And it is a union which is becoming a glorious and eternal reality in God's Sons in this hour. But - "many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ IS come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist" (II Jn. 7). These deceivers acknowledge the historical Jesus of 1900 years ago, but they recognize Him not as having returned in mighty spirit within a people. These deceivers speak much of Jesus in some far off heaven somewhere, but they reject the manifestation of Him through the members of His body upon earth.

    By personal application, if my spirit does not confess that Christ has come in my flesh, I am antichrist. The confession of my SPIRIT is a much stronger confession than might be made by just my mouth. The confession of one's SPIRIT bespeaks an expression arising from an INNER STATE OF BEING, not merely a belief of the mind. If my SPIRIT is confessing that Christ has come in my flesh, it is confessing it by a LIVING MANIFESTATION. Now if I am living out Christ in the nitty-gritty of every day life, under the pressure of all the daily circumstances and life situations, I am confessing with my SPIRIT that Christ is come in my flesh! Ah, I might say with my mouth that Christ is come in my flesh, but my spirit speak just the opposite, as the fountain of my life sends forth polluted waters. Many have a mouth confession of the presence of Christ within whose "spirit confesses not that He is come" in their flesh. Oh! that men might believe it! The Christ within, the anointing within is our only hope of glory!

    But antichrist will hear of no such hope of glory. His hope does not rest wholly in the Christ within, but partially in his own works, or faithfulness, or endurance. He is cluttered about with laws, regulations, creeds, ordinances, observances, traditions, religious exercises of this order and that, all of which are designed to assure his right standing with God. He is thus denying the Father and the Son, for God's order is, "You are kept by the POWER OF GOD, through FAITH" (I Pet. 1:5). Anything that purports to ADD SOMETHING to the anointing within, or to fill some place or function in our lives not fulfilled BY THE ANOINTING ALONE - is antichrist!

    The notable English mystic, William Law, writing in about the year 1750, made the following statement, to which we all must give sincere and earnest heed lest we, like those who 1900 years ago rejected Christ and the truth He brought, should refuse Him that now dwells and speaks and works within His temple of living stones, accepting in His place the cheap and worthless substitutes of man's invention. Thus writes William Law: "Consider how it is that the carnal Jew, the deep-read scribe, the learned rabbi, the religious Pharisee not only did not receive but crucified their Saviour. It was because they willed and desired no such Saviour as He was, no such inward salvation as He offered them. They desired no change in their nature, no inward destruction of their own natural tempers, no deliverance from the love of themselves and the enjoyments of their passions. They liked their state, the gratifications of their old man, their long robes, their broad phylacteries and greetings in the markets. They wanted not to have their pride and self love dethroned, their covetousness and sensuality to be subdued by a new nature from heaven derived into them. Their only desire was the success of Judaism, to have an outward Saviour, a temporal Prince that should establish their law and outward ceremonies over all the earth. And therefore they crucified their dear Redeemer and would have none of His salvation because it all consisted in a change of their nature, in a new birth from above, and a Kingdom of Heaven to be opened within them by the Spirit of God. O Christendom, look not only at the old Jews, but see thyself in this glass, for at this day (O sad truth to be told), at this day of Christ within us, an inward Saviour raising a birth of His own nature, life and Spirit within, is rejected as gross enthusiasm. The learned rabbis take counsel against it The propagation of popery, the propagation of Protestantism, the success of some particular Church is the salvation which priests and people are chiefly concerned about."

    Suppose I were a pursued fugitive. Now, if I could get my pursuers sidetracked and get them to fire on a stuffed dummy made to represent myself, they would thus, by diverting their fire from me, aid in my escape. I do not hesitate to tell you, precious brother of mine, that Satan has a DUMMY ANTICHRIST set up, a horrible creature who will never appear. And the Christian Church is busily engaged in wasting their time and ammunition on this dummy. They are telling what a terrible creature he will be, all the while ignorant of the fact that THE TRUE CRIMINAL IS IN THEIR VERY MIDST!

    I copy pasted this and think its wonderful insight.

    Bless you

    Seth3
     
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    Thats great, so when he stands up and declares himself to be god, you will believe him. Now who is the dummy?
     
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    The Temple is The Body not a building with hands. Who seats Himself THERE? Showing Himself as God?
    The buying and selling did not happen at the grocery store it happened in the Temple where Jesus overthrew their tables. Ever here of, "Making merchandise OF YOU" or bodies and souls of MEN?

    Where can you go to buy of the truth (bread of life) or sell it as Judas did without a mark or a name by which men call themselves by?

    You cannot come here UNLESS your of "This denomination" or you cant be one of us unless you take "this name for yourself". Just as God writes on the foreheads (mind of Christ) in which one finds their true identity. The Carnal beast has its own mark and name to which those who do not wish to be put out of fellowship must take in order to stay. Do not be surprised if the world hates you it hated me first (the Stone the builders rejected) building with brick (man made doctrines) instead of Stone (Truth that is Spirit)

    What do they speak against? The Spirit of the glory of God that rests on those in Christ. Which the Angel said to Mary that HE (Christ and Christ in us) would be a sign that is to be Spoken against. Strange as it may seem its considered a blessing. Bless those that curse you.

    Ever hear of the RIGHT HAND of Fellowship? Do two walk together unless they agree. What agreement do those in Christ have with idols? MARK THOSE who cause divisions. Are ye not Carnal being divisive? As Brute BEASTS (Carnal man) which speak against things they understand not by nature as the Carnal man cannot recieve the things of the Spirit (by fact). So they are identified.

    Good example in scripture is the pharisee where it shows him praying thus WITH HIMSELF (unknowingly) SAYING, "GOD I THANK YOU that I'm not like OTHERS sinners etc or even this publican".

    Heres one showing Himself as God, His righteousness is dirived not by God by through the law and is decieved God is not His God but HE IS HIS OWN GOD. Exhalting himself over all that is called God. Instead of love for others he sits in judgement over them. instead of walking in love, He has a love of Himself yet not based on truth.

    Basically as Jesus said, Do as they say but not as THEY DO. They do not practice what they preach. But Paul led by way of example and sincere love and built up others not tore them down. A House of prayer or the House of strife?

    Better a crust of bread where there is peace then a house full of strife and hatred.

    Anti can mean against opposed and/or a SUBSTITUTE FOR Christ.

    Christ is Teacher and Lord


    God bless

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    I'm not so sure that it's wonderful or insightful.
     
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    AVL,

    How do you see it?

    God bless

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    Was the second part more cut and paste theology?
     
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    Actually I wrote the second part and from my perspective. I copy paste alot of my own searchings from Word onto a post. I see nothing wrong with it do you?

    How about you how do YOU see it?

    God bless

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    James I trust in the Lord to teach thats the premise of the New Covenant, that man shall not teach His neighbor saying, "know the Lord" for all will know me from the least to the greatest.

    Some dont believe this. I'm saying I do. In Pauls day not one anti christ was present but MANY then. In this John says, "You do not need that anyone teach you, the annointing you recieved will teach you all things abide in Him"

    God bless

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    I got to be honest brother, I couldn't even follow clearly what you posted above. If you think you have gained some insight into the word of God, I'm not sure what it is. However, the bible does predict a literal antichrist, and if you are expecting him not to show up, I believe you will be one of those who are deceived when he does show up. We are living in the end times and he will be revealed shortly, I'm sure.
     
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    I will not deny that the bible is full of symbolism, but the symbolic never erases the literal.
     
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    To tell you the truth, it seemed like it needed a rewrite with clear definition. That way it is written (the first part) it is sort of "off the wall" in my opinion. It was hard to follow this persons line of thought.

    You're part of the posting (2nd part) clarified some, but it's still a reach. I don't get what kind of "insight" you are having here. Or it could be that I'm just to wiped out at present to really mess with symbolism. Either way, I usually pick up pretty well on these things, and I just don't see it.
     
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    Yes the bible shows a Literal Spirit of falsehood that is believed upon by many. And He will be revealed I agree. I see that it was present THEN in the epistles and in the world at that time and shown forward. I'm not looking for a single man but of Man.

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    AVL,

    What part is unclear to you? I see us as we all have needing to overcome an identity we have been given by others. A Mark to be overcome God marked Cain we mark those who are divisive Cain types the firstborn of the flesh. HE SERVED GOD. Its not that He did not. But He killed His brother. Jesus raised the standard to "hate" being equal to murder so that we could distinguish truth from error. Can is the outworking of the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil which is a foreshadow of the Law. This Tree shows through Cain (in type) how this religious man acts in the literal picture he kills his brother but Jesus equating hate as equal the picture changes in our thinking as to what this is truly speaking of. He has ten horns as strengths (commandments) the power of sin is in the law so he cannot withold himself from the hatred he feels it is empowered- The legalist (you understand this I know you do). He does not build up He tears down. Seeking to steal kill and destroy. It hates anything of True faith as we are shown in the eppistles He works within religious circles controlling and manipulating knowledge. You better think like Him (Man) or else you will be put out of the Synagauge which is only a place of worship. They have changed the name of the place to "Church" go to "church" but we as living stones are the church who gather in the synagauge (building) heres where the confusion lies. WE are the True Jew (who calls ourselves "christians" but nevertheless we are according to Paul the True Jew with circumcision done by the Spirit of God.

    Change those words around in scripture then revelation takes on a whole new insight. Jesus said there were few in the synagauge who have not soiled their garments where Satan has His throne. He comes not as a monster of darkness but a "messenger of light" posing as ministers of righteousness in Christs Name.

    Looking outside to a literal physical Temple in a geographic place is missing the entire point.

    Sodom Egypt (as is it Spiritually called) is Jerusalem where their Lord was crucified. Agree. But it is also the Spiritual nuture of those who have forsaken their first love (perhaps too many religious duties, praise of men, etc) Having a reputation of being alive but is dead etc. There is nothing new under the sun.

    As a golden Image or a form of Godliness its not Truth in Christ. "In the sight of men" is key. For God laid a Stone in Zion (Christ Jesus) in us and on that stone are seven eyes everyone of these sees HIM. But there would be many saying, "Where is the sign of His coming" looking for the Kingdom with observation where it cannot be observed. So why everyones off looking over here and over there and following others thoughts on these things its already here.

    Our True identity is Christ in us and He who is in us is greater then He who is in the world.


    God bless

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    there are only two type of spirits in this world.
    that of christ and antichrist.

    everyone is physically born after adam with the antichrist spirit.

    to be "reborn" one must be pronounced "spiritually dead" to the spirit of antichrist and become reborn from the dead by being joined to the resurrected spirit of Christ.

    our carnal nature of the antichrist spirit that once resided within us has been replaced with the spirit of Christ. I once was joined to the antichrist spirit. That spirit died and now I have a new spirit. the "other" spirit.
    the christ spirit.

    seth3 stated this clearly in his posts. the only way to know one "is saved" or has been spiritually reborn, is by inspecting the fruit of their spirit. wether it be of the spirit of christ, or the spirit of antichrist.

    Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit

    Eph 4:31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
    Eph 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

    everyone who claims to be a christian, called of God has within themselves, the spirit of Christ, or the spirit of Antichrist.
    one lives by grace and the other lives by law.

    there is no other spirits other than these two natures.

    why isnt this discussed much?

    because the antichrist spirit is only revealed and uncovered by God when the law is received by the individual.
    the outward expressions becomes self evident to all. especially identified by those who have the spirit of Christ within them.

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    Me2 I agree. We want it "way out there" but the reality of it is that its within each of us. IN MAN the stature of man which was created on the same day as the beast is of short stature 6 we enter into Gods rest=The Sabbath (the Seventh day) made for man and are complete in Him ALONE. Not in our doctrines or denominations we are to identify and find ourselves in Him and Him in us. GRACE ALONE NOTHING ELSE.

    Good post Me2

    God bless

    Seth3
     

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