Christ Is Not A Goat-Herder

And so a lost sheep was found.

John 10:16
"I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd.

 

How can you say that when Jesus SPECIFICALLY stated He came for His sheep...which she clearly was NOT? Jesus states WHO the sheep are, and gentiles are NOT in that statement. You cannot pull a verse from Matthew to argue the "other sheep" are gentiles. Like Rippon stated about goats, a dog doesn't become a sheep. Show me Scripture where dogs become sheep.

 

Bad question

'Goats' are used of a figure of the unsaved.
'Sheep' are used of a figure of the saved.
Do you really want me to show you how to go from an unsaved state to a saved state? Here we go.

Of course, a strict Calvinist would think goats are goats from eternity past and sheep are sheep from eternity past. Both will be what they are for eternity future. But I'm not going to argue against Calvin cause I think he was and anti-semetic, racist & sexist individual.

 

you are kidding, right? This is a key text for the Gentile inclusion.

You need to be more careful about contextualizing sheep, goats and dogs - Christ was telling her she was not a dog - contrary to the contemporary culture.

 

I suppose tares can become wheat, as well?

Ah - the worst type of ad hominum - one where the accused cannot defend themselves - shameful.

 

You literalists :sigh: how do you ever understand the Bible?

The tare is a symbol of the unsaved. The Wheat is a symbol of the saved. Of course unsaved can be saved. Even saved is a symbol. The body of Christ is a symbol of the Universal Church; the Bride of Christ is a symbol of the Universal Church --- so 'The body of Christ' is the "Bride of Christ".

 

...or John 10 needs to be read in light of Matthew 15. Matthew tells us who the sheep are...John expands that there are others, but he does NOT state they are gentiles. That's eisegesis.

 

webdog - you are moving into silliness, now. Please go read the true exegetes before you make yourself look more foolish.

From here

 

uh-huh - the Scriptures have a different distinction - you really need to go read Mat 13 before you embarrass yourself some more. The wheat was planted by the sower - the tares sprung up among the wheat. Then harvest time came...

 

Hello

Goats are leading poor sheep to destruction and Israel is the sheep who have gone astray. Gentiles are as the aliens living among the Jews who were included with them when they heard the Gospel of their salvation having believed and circumcised the males. The circumcision of today is that of the heart, that Jesus does when we turn to Him. As a gentile I was a dog begging at the master table and Jesus didn't turn me away.

We gentiles are included with the believing Jews when we heard the Gospel of our salvation having believed.

We all have become one in Christ.

I do not pretend to be nobody. I'm still a dog begging at the masters table, waiting on my master return.

We are to love one another as Christ loved us and be one as Christ prayed us to be.

 

I have read the 13th Chapter of Matthew.

Mat 13:40 (Geneva Bible):
As then the tares are gathered and burned in ye fire, so shall it be in the end of this world.

Jesus is telling a parable.
In the world the tares (unjust) would be gathered first & burned (hell); then the wheat (just in Christ) would be harvested and put in the barns (heaven).

Some don't check the rest of the Bible and think at the end of the age (current evil age, the present Church Age ) Jesus will gather the unjust first and the just second - for their just rewards.

But the Scripture tells a different order CLEARLY (and NOT in a parable):

Rev 20:6-7 (Geneva Bible, 1599 Edition):
Blessed and holy is hee, that hath part in the first resurrection: for on such the second death hath no power: but they shalbe the Priests of God and of Christ, and shall reigne with him a thousand yeere.
7 And when the thousand yeres are expired, Satan shalbe loosed out of his prison,

The just (in Christ) shall be resurrrected first; one thousand years later (literal or figurative) the unjust (not in Christ) shall be resurrected.

I recommend we let the more literal set our doctrines over the pictorial & symbolic parables

 

sigh...this is chasing rabbits...instead of actually understanding the plain meaning of the text...

 

That is what's called a similie.

 

You have a real problem with calling people fools and insulting those who don't agree with you. You need to grow up.

Many "true exegetes" disagree with Calvin. That means squat. Anyone can cut and paste theologians' beliefs.