Christ Rose on the Sabbath--strongest proof-text

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  1. Gerhard Ebersoehn

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    Christ Rose on the Sabbath--strongest proof-text,

    1Corinthians 15:17, "If Christ be not raised, your faith is vain, ye are yet in your sins."

    "If Christ ROSE not from the dead, you still are IN YOUR SINS!" even though ~keeping the Sabbath~ as a righteous work OF THE LAW and not as "Sabbaths' Feast OF CHRIST the Substance”. For “JESUS gave them (the People of God) REST ... as "CHRIST ROSE from the dead" … having entered into His Own Rest as God in His Own", “and God on the day The Seventh Day (Sabbath OF THE LORD GOD) from all his works RESTED ... and REVIVED”. For "CHRIST ROSE from the dead", "having been Rested-up-again His Name being The Most Holy Place" of God's Sanctuary, haven in the Peace and Rest of God's Fullness.
     
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    Reconcile the Sabbath with the Good News of Jesus Christ in another way than that He rose from the dead on the Sabbath Day! The Sabbath remains because Jesus resurrected in it; or it remains abolished with the Law on the cross in the death of Christ
    … and He never rose from the dead.

    There is no other way.
     
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    Dawn of the first day of the week, that's Sunday. What is the night before this dawn? Saturday night? It was SUNDAY NIGHT.

    Genesis 1 :5
    ...And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

    Jewish teaching is night came first.

    Matthew 28

    1Now after the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to look at the grave. 2And behold, a severe earthquake had occurred, for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven and came and rolled away the stone and sat upon it. 3And his appearance was like lightning, and his clothing as white as snow. 4The guards shook for fear of him and became like dead men. 5The angel said to the women, “Do not be afraid; for I know that you are looking for Jesus who has been crucified. 6“He is not here, for He has risen, just as He said. Come, see the place where He was lying. 7“Go quickly and tell His disciples that He has risen from the dead; and behold, He is going ahead of you into Galilee, there you will see Him; behold, I have told you.”

    Matthew 27
    62Now on the next day, the day after the preparation, the chief priests and the Pharisees gathered together with Pilate,



    Luke 23

    54It was the preparation day, and the Sabbath was about to begin. 55Now the women who had come with Him out of Galilee followed, and saw the tomb and how His body was laid. 56Then they returned and prepared spices and perfumes. And on the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment.

    Luke 24
    1But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared.

    Remember the night before is SUNDAY.


    John 19

    31Then the Jews, because it was the day of preparation, so that the bodies would not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away. 32So the soldiers came, and broke the legs of the first man and of the other who was crucified with Him; 33but coming to Jesus, when they saw that He was already dead, they did not break His legs. 34But one of the soldiers pierced His side with a spear, and immediately blood and water came out.


    Mark 16
    9[Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons.


    :Biggrin
     
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    Strongest proof that the moon is made of cheese: Chewbacca is hairy.
     
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    Christ rose after sundown Saturday, which to the Jews of Judah, who still reckoned the day from sundown to sundown, would have been Sunday, the first day of the week.

    The northern Jews had adopted the Greek reckoning of midnight to midnight.

    So, for both to understand He arose on Sunday it would have had to be past midnight.

    And he was already out of the grave before dawn when the ladies arrived to complete the "embalming" process.

    When we slavishly insist on Sabbath keeping we overlook the simple fact that Christ is our Sabbath. We rest from all works, in Him.

    Those who insist on Sabbath keeping are, in effect, denying they rest in Christ. :(
     
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    My money is on before midnight. But, I don't know if he rose on the Jewish Sabbath. If he did, it would have been at the very end, sunset.

    Anyone who wants to pretend to keep the Jewish holidays and ritual law are, in effect, contradicting Christianity.
     
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    He worked on the sabbath by getting up on that day?
     
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    I better and better am beginning to understand why you are a Roman Catholic, Utilyan; you simply do not regard the Scriptures or the purity of the Scriptures or the UNITY of all the Scriptures.

    I watched the Rio TV yesterday and saw again like 3 billion other people saw for themselves, but worse than ever before, the total idolatry Roman Catholicism is and how DN proved her motherhood of Islam is ... SUN=worship and Fatima=Mary=worship. It is HORRIFIC.

    Come Lord Jesus, come quickly!
     
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    Absolutely, YES! "That ye may know what is ... the exceeding greatness of His Power ... according to the Working of his Almighty Strength WHICH God WROUGHT = WORKED = FINISHED = ACCOMPLISHED RAISING Christ from the dead.”


    God the day The Seventh Day from all HIS WORK, RESTED.


    A ball one has thrown straight up into the air, will stop or ‘come to rest’ at the point where the full power of the force with which one has thrown it upwards, will have spent itself. So is it with the ‘rest’ of God. God working at the height of his Power is where He raised Christ from the dead; and where Christ resurrected from the dead, is where God in the pinnacle of his Power, rested.
     
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    Completely irrelevant for this topic-subject.

    Here what is relevant, is the pure logic of Paul's statement, "If Christ be not raised, your faith is vain, ye are yet in your sins", in regard to the Sabbath.
    If your faith is (or were) that because of the Law, the Sabbath remains for the Christian People of God and NOT because Jesus "is raised", "ye are yet in your sins"!
     
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    I fail to see any argument at all but only an assertion that makes no sense at all.

    Christ did not rise on Saturday afternoon or Saturday evening as the precise of his resurrection is the fourth watch called "proee" in Mark 13:35 which Mark using two the aorist tense verbs in Mark 16:9 says that Christ was raised and appeared to Mary at "proee" or the fourth watch of the night which would have been between 3am and 6am Sunday morning. The two aorist tense verbs show identical action which is located in "the first day of the week" at the precise time of "proee" or the fourth watch.

    Please don't come back your lame interpretation that Mark 13:35 refers to four parts of a 24 hour day instead of four watches between 6 p.m. and 6 a.m unless you have Biblical or Jewish cultural evidence for that at the time Christ spoke Mark 13:35.
     
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    Place the Scripture(s) ---from any English Bible before the 20th century.

    Then ask yourself, WHY "ON the Sabbath" / "IN the Sabbath" had to be CHANGED to <<after the Sabbath>>?

    Then ask the Greek grammarians, all Sunday believers, before or of the 20th century, Why it is IMPOSSIBLE and CORRUPT to say 'after' instead of "in" or "on" or "Sabbat's-time", or join some of them in their fraud and dishonesty and fear and cowardice and hypocrisy and the judgment that awaits such.
     
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    Your argument is based upon proof texting paste cut hermeneutics. Hebrews 4:3-4 in context has nothing to do with 1 Cor. 15:17. The argument being set forth in Hebrews 4:1-8 is that belief in the gospel or spiritual rest in Christ (Heb. 4:1-2) did not do away with Sabbath observance, neither did God entering into the Seventh day rest at creation cause sabbath observance to cease, neither did Joshua who gave them rest in the promised land, cause sabbath observance to cease, neither did David terminate Sabbath observance by giving them rest from all their enemies around them. Then we come to verse 9-10 where he makes his case that the work of Christ on the cross did not cause Sabbath observance to cease but provided a better Sabbath that commemorates his greater work of redemption as God commemorated the work of creation by setting apart a Sabbath observance. This better sabbath observance that commemorates the finished work of Christ will not cease until we enter into the future promised eternal rest in a new heaven and earth (v. 11) that fulfills all sabbath observances.

    He is not arguing that God had to violate the Seventh Day Sabbath by working on it - raising Christ on that day. Christ rose on the first day of the week and set it apart as a "better" sabbath observance free from all the Law's regulations but as a day of rejoicing and gladness and worship - Psa. 118:24.
     
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    I am sorry but what you are saying makes no sense to me. Perhaps it is how you are wording it? What I see is the point of Paul is resurrection is necessary to demonstrate Christ has been victorious over sin and death regardless of the day he rose. It is not the day he arose but the fact that he arose is his point or else we are still in our sins as there is no victory over death by resurrection
     
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    Ag, how impressive, intelligent and learned ... RUBBISH!
     
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    Yes, that is about your normal response when you can't provide any substance to refute what I say. In fact, that is how all debaters respond when they have nothing to provide to prove the contrary.Thanks for your concession.
     
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    Already proven your interpretation of Matthew 28:1 is corrupt as opse is used by mark for the first watch of the night between 6-9 p.m. which is AFTER the Sabbath not late "on" or "in" the Sabbath. Your only response thus far is your personal opinion against the weight of scholarship that unitedly states Mark 13;35 refers to the four watches of the night between 6 pm to 6am of which the first watch is called opse.
     
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    How do you come to that conclusion? Please can you spell it out more clearly how you can even come to that conclusion. 1 Corinthians 15 only demands resurrection regardless what day it occurred as it is resurrection that is proof we are not still in our sins, not what day he rose.
     
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    <<He had risen>> is a modern, Sunday-venerating CORRUPTION.

    The KJV has "when Jesus was risen" from Aorist Participle 'anastas', English equivalent "risen" / "raised" / "as the Risen One Jesus appeared"---"appeared" the only Verb and or Predicate in the only Sentence making up 16:9a.
     
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    Hebrews 4:3-4 is simply one part of a series of arguments to prove that Sabbath observance did not cease when we enter into the spiritual rest of the gospel (Heb. 4:1-2). It did not cease when God entered into his rest after creation of this heaven and earth (vv. 3-4). It did not cease with Joshua bringing the people into the promised land of rest. It did not cease with David when he gave them rest from all the enemies around them and it did not cease with the greater work of redemption by Christ as Christ set apart his own day commemorating redemption - the first day of the week - as a BETTER Sabbath day observance because it is without all the legalism of the Law, which better sabbath observance will not be done away until it is fullfilled in the eternal rest to come (vv. 11-14).

    Your twisted logic is due to your twisted use of scripture.
     

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