Christ the Advocate !

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    Christ the Advocate !

    1 Jn 2:1-2

    1My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

    2And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

    Now to whom is Christ the Righteous an Advocate in behalf of ? First let's define this Office of His .

    It is the greek word paraklētos and is defined as:



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    summoned, called to one's side, esp. called to one's aid

    a) one who pleads another's cause before a judge, a pleader, counsel for defense, legal assistant, an advocate

    b) one who pleads another's cause with one, an intercessor

    1) of Christ in his exaltation at God's right hand, pleading with God the Father for the pardon of our sins

    c) in the widest sense, a helper, succourer, aider, assistant

    1) of the Holy Spirit destined to take the place of Christ with the apostles (after his ascension to the Father), to lead them to a deeper knowledge of the gospel truth, and give them divine strength needed to enable them to undergo trials and persecutions on behalf of the divine kingdom
    In this context, it is more of to plead the cause of someone, to be called to one's aid, also one who gives legal counsel. He intercedes in behalf of one, and perhaps even Isa 9:6 defines a part of that role

    6For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

    Now who does He function in this role in the benefit of ? I already know most will say Believers, and that would be True; But it is also True of unbelievers, those He died for or in behalf of ! 1 Cor 15:3

    3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

    The word for here is the greek hyper and means:

    in behalf of, for the sake of See 2 Cor 1:11


    An important part of this Advocacy Role, is that of making intercession, and scripture is quite clear that He makes Intercession for Transgressors Isa 53:12

    12Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors[unbelievers in rebellion].

    This also tells us why, Because He bare the sin of many. Now were they Believers or Unbelievers when He bore their sins, and when He made intercession for Transgressors ? Absolutely not, for they were in a unconverted state as Transgressors and Covenant breakers, and need to be converted Ps 51:13

    13Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee.

    Did not Christ intercede in behalf of unbelievers here ? Lk 23:34

    34Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.

    Is this Christ making intercession to the Father for unbelieving transgressors or not ? Now if this be the case, what would prevent Christ from being the Advocate to the Father in behalf of Unbelievers that He died in behalf of , and has propitiated the Father's Law and Justice for by shedding His Blood for them ?
     
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    Christ the Advocate !

    Christ's Advocacy for those He died for, is premised on His Blood Shed, His Being a propitiation for their sins. For Christ has fully satisfied all of God's Law and Justice on their behalf; in that if any man of those He died for, sin, they do have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the Righteous. His Blood and Righteousness covers them both Pre Conversion and Post Conversion !
     
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    the ONLY ones that jesus is the advocate for/towards are those who are in a relationship with Him, those whom have placed their faith in him!

    unless they ask Him to be their advocate , He will not be in their stead on their behalf!
     
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    Advocate !



    The Lord Jesus Christ is the Advocate for each and every person He paid the redemption price for, even before they are called by the Gospel and Believe, but this applies to only the Unconverted Election of Grace, whom the ransom price has been paid by His Blood Mark 10:45

    For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life or blood a ransom for many.

    Those who teach that Christ does not intercede, and is an Advocate for, those He died for while they are in unbelief, are liars and a disgrace to the Ministry of Christ !
     
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    1 John 2:2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

    John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

    1 Timothy2:3-6 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, who wants all men to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth.

    1 Timothy 4:10 (and for this we labor and strive), that we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, and especially of those who believe.

    Acts 17:27 God did this so that men would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from each one of us.

    Acts 17:30 In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent.
     
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    Apstle John said that he is indeed the advocate before God on behalf of His own, he is the high priest per Hebrews, but BOTH agree that it applies to those who placed faith in jesus, as he does NOT advocate those not as of yet saved!
     
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    SGM absolute nonsense of "saved" before they are "saved" in time and space is pure foolishness. The Trinune work of salvation cannot be taken and divided and segmented so that each stand alone in and of itself apart from the other works of the other Two Divine Persons - that is pure theoretical fantasy land.

    What God has purposed in eternity still needs to be done in time and space or it is UNFINISHED - "I have purposed it, I WILLL do it" - Isa. 46:11

    To argue, as SBM does, that God cannot be restricted to time, refers only to HIS PERSON not HIS PURPOSES, as His purposes are by design for time and in time, as the very idea of a "purpose" is a yet UNFULFILLED concept that will be carried out - "I have purposed it, I WILL do it." - Isa. 46:11
     
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    When does Christ become the Advocate in behalf of those He died for ?
     
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    when they become part of His 'family/Body/Bride" when they receive jesus by faith!

    For until they come to faith in jesus as saviour, would be illegitimate, and NOT ones that he would advocate for!
     
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    What is the basis of Christ's advocacy for those He is an advocate for ?
     
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    he is the high priest of those who have come to faith in him!
     
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    The basis of Christ's advocacy for those He died for, and why Gods law and Justice has been satisfied in behalf of them, is because He died for them already Rom 8:33-34

    33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

    34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

    Intercession and being an Advocate are the same ! He makes His Appeal and defense for them by presenting to the Judge His Death for them, and His Righteous Life for them !
     
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    It is not a question of "when" but a question of "HOW"! His advocacy is inseparable from the conjoined works of the Father and the Spirit, which without is WORTHLESS.
     
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    Yes it is ! When did He become the Advocate for those He died ?

    More Blasphemy against Christ !
     
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    You are the one that is blasmpheming God as you are in practical denial of the Triune Godhead and suggesting that the Son and his work of redemption is in and of itself sufficient WITHOUT the Father and the Spirit and their covenant works of redemption! Just put your thinking cap on and you will see the logical and doctrinal absurdity of your position.
     
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    No, you are, calling Christ's Death worthless before God's Law and Justice ! Nothing but the devil can make a man say that !

    For I have already stated in previous threads and posts that the work of the Spirit is the fruit of Christ's Death, if it was not for the Value of Christ's Death, there is no work of the Spirit. However, the Spirit did nothing to satisfy God's Law and Justice, the Spirit did not died for the Elect's sins ! You are a Blasphmer !!
     
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    You are appropriately describing yourself and your position most aptly and most Biblically. Thank you for doing my work for me.:laugh:
     
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    You blaspheme the Work of Christ, calling it worthless in and of itself !
     
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    That is right! You got it! You are preaching "another Christ" and "another gospel" and another "covenant" of redemption as the Bible teaches no Christ that claims the totality of salvation in and of Himself APART FROM the Father and the Spirit. The bible teaches no "gospel" that claims the totality of salvation by Christ in and of itself alone and APART FROM the Father and the Spirit's work of redemption. The Bible teaches no "covenant" of redemption where Christ ALONE in and of Himself APART FROM the Father and the Spirit and their covenant oblgations save anyone!
     
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    I know its right, you calling Christ's Death worthless :



    You blaspheme the Work of Christ, calling it worthless in and of itself !
     

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