Christian Adulterers - OSAS?

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  1. LadyEagle

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    Once saved, always saved?

    Example:

    A man professes to be a Christian, even is a deacon in a Baptist church. But one day, he "falls in love." And no one knows he has been having an adulterous affair for many years. Then he has a heart attack one night and dies at the other's woman's house while his wife thought he was working overtime at the plant, 3rd shift.

    The Bible says adulterers will not go to heaven. Now what? :(

    1Cor.6
    [9] Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

    Heb.13
    [4] Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.

    Jas.4
    [4] Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
     
  2. KenH

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    God is gracious. We mortals can't decide such an issue. We can only trust in God's grace to His fallen creation.
     
  3. dianetavegia

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    Adultery is the same as any other sin. This man willfully sinned but if he were really saved, he'll be in heaven before he hits the floor.
     
  4. PastorGreg

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    Absolutely true Diane. However, I Cor. 6:9,10 teaches that no one whose life is unrepentantly (if that's a word) given over to these sins is truly saved. Jesus Himself said, "By their fruits ye shall know them."
     
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    Adultery is not the same as any other sin. The word from the Word tells us in 1Corinthians 6:18, "Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. What? Know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own."

    I doubt if the repobate was saved and one day---he'll stand shamefacedly before God Almighty and give answer to that repobate sin he refused to repent of! A refusal to repent---means what?? He's still in his sin and the dude died in his sin!! What a horrible place to be---standing before the Judgment seat of God with sin still on your account because of refusal to repent--turn away!!
     
  6. Jensen

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    And anyone who looks upon a woman with lust commits adultery with her in his heart.
     
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    Your point is?
     
  8. KenH

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    Well, that certainly puts all normal men in a bit of a pickle.
     
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    Maybe he will have to spend some time in Purgatory?

    Wait I have go the wrong faith, that is Catholicsm! [​IMG]
     
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    Jensen---do a little study on the phrase, "with lust"---see what you come up with!!---you'll probably find that "with lust" means the dude doin' the lookin'---ain't normal!!!

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  11. dianetavegia

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    Ah Blackbird... by my remark, Adultery is the same as any sin... I mean that adultery will not keep someone out of heaven anymore than lying would keep someone out of heaven if they are a child of God. Sorry for the bad terminology.

    "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. James 2:10"
     
  12. Jensen

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    blackbird.... you're right...unregenerate...because 1 John 3:6 says "No one who lives in him [Christ] keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him."
     
  13. dianetavegia

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    How can a true Christian live a lifestyle of sin? There is NO true repentence if one plans to sin.
     
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    I think what people fail to remember sometimes is that we do nothing to earn salvation and it is not within our power to keep it. If it is all by grace then someone(a christian) may commit a sin, but they aren't going to hell for it, becasue God is greater then we are, and His grace is greater then we as flawed humans can possibly understand. Obtaining salvation calls for perfection, we can not do it, thats why Jesus did it for us, likewise keeping salvation calls for perfection, again we can not do it, thats why Jesus does it for us. We have His righteousness, we did not earn it, it was given to us, grace.
    "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. James 2:10"
    We have to remember it isn't a sin that will keep anyone from heaven, but not having Jesus.
     
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    While adultery is a serious sin, its inclusion in the list Paul gives in 1Cor 6:9-10 gives it no greater power to condemn one to eternal damnation than covetousness or drunkenness. It is interesting that while Paul says, “and such were some of you, but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God”, he tells them to “flee fornication” in verse 18. If a believer could not still continue in some of the sins of the former life then Paul’s exhortation in verses 15-18 makes no sense at all. He is writing to those who are washed and justified and telling them to stop participating in the ritual temple immorality which was a deeply ingrained part of the Corinthian culture! If a believer was incapable of committing such sins, Paul would tell these to get saved, not stop fornicating!

    Of course when we go to 1Cor 11:28-32 we read that God chastens His children with sickness and even death. Since they fail to judge their own sin, God judges them (temporally, not eternally) with sickness and death. This “damnation” (KJV) is in fact evidence that they are His children and that they will not suffer condemnation with the world.

    I would see the “heart attack” as possible confirmation that this man was indeed a believer and that God’s patience with the erring child ran out. We can no more be taken out of God’s family for sinful behavior than we can become part of the family by righteous behavior.

    The prodigal son was living with the pigs, eating with the pigs, and no doubt smelling like the pigs. Yet, the clear fact remains that HE WAS STILL A SON! When he returned with the idea of becoming a servant in the father’s house, the father would have none of that. Bring a robe and a ring, my son has returned. He was as dead, now he is restored.

    What of the incestuous believer in 1Cor 5? He was involved in continual grievous sin. Paul suggests mourning and the delivering of his flesh to Satan for destruction. Yet the “spirit” is secure in Christ and will be saved. While some have understood the construction to indicate a potential salvation based on repentance and forsaking of this sin, the context clearly places the salvation “in the day of the Lord” and after “the destruction of the flesh”. Either this indicates the fornicators security in Christ or it indicates a second chance at salvation. The text admits not other interpretation.

    What is clear is that neither God, nor Paul, will continue to tolerate a life of persistent disobedience to clear commands of the Word of God. The “license to sin” alleged by some who oppose OSAS is about to be revoked! Yet there is clear indication that the eternal destiny is secure. It is significant to note that as a result of obedience to the practice of church discipline we later read of the restoration of this one who received the “punishment inflicted of many” (2Cor 2:6).
     
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    No, you quoted it yourself. What does it say?

    1Cor.6
    [9] Know ye not that the unrighteous {B]shall not inherit the kingdom of God[/B]? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
     
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    appplying one of the strong thoughts of paul's letter to the romans will close this discussion.

    where sin abounds, grace will much more abound. this principle applies not to an unsaved whose all sins, including adultery will be forgiven. rather, this applies to everyone who has already experienced God's grace, that whatever sin they commit, God's grace will remain unmovable.
     
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    James, you're right. These will NOT inherit the kingdom . . and the bible continues "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
     
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    Amen! Preach it Dr Bob!
     
  20. Amity

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    rjprince, AMEN and AMEN!!!!!
     

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