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Discussion in '2006 Archive' started by Revmitchell, Sep 9, 2006.
Such a peaceful Religion.:thumbs:
Not too long ago some people who claimed to be Christians did the same thing in this Country to fellow Christians
I know you know who they were, and unfortunately still are
White people treated black's and anyone they thought were different the same way
Too bad that they could not even swim or even go to the same bathrooms
Watch where you through the stones
What does that have to do with me?
How was my comment not relevant
Did not the Muslims attack a Christian for being Christian
Did not White Christians attack black's for being black
I never said it was you
All I meant is not every one who claims to be a Christian is a true Christian and not every Muslim is ignorant
Do not blame an entire religion for some radicals - people do that to Christians
Christian - not closed minded
This is the dominant view of that religion
So you surveyed every Muslim to come to this conclusion? If not, cite a study. Otherwise, it is just an unfounded opinion.
What some Christians did to blacks in America is not indicative of what Christians are.
Neither, I suppose is what some Muslims do to Christians. It's human nature to dislike people who aren't like one's self, and sometimes people forget we are all supposed to be God's children.
I never get it when people defend islam, especially christians. It si a religion of violence, the koran says for them to kill unbelievers, and they can only get to heaven by dying in holy war(gihad).
You campare being black with being muslim?
It makes it ok for the muslims to do this kind of thing becasue of black slavery in america? I don't get this. A fellow christian was beaten becasue he was christian, but God's enemies, and you defend them.
The fastest growing religion in the UK is Islam. ALmost every convert has become anti-western. I am afraid for Britain, my motherland, and I fear for North America as more Muslims become citizens whilst continuing their Islamic ways. They refuse to join our society.
Granted, most of the extremism comes from the Middle East, many of the terrorists are harboured in our free countries, enjoying our freedoms whilst mustering the troops against us. Beware, my friends, beware...the big bad wolf didn't huff and puff for nothing before he blew the house down.
This is just the Quran on jihad.
Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies of Allah and your enemies.’
(Surat-al-Anfaal (8), ayah 60)
O Prophet! Urge the believers to fight. If there are twenty steadfast amongst you, they will overcome two hundred, and if there are be a hundred steadfast they will overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they (they disbelievers) are people who do not understand’
(Surat-al-Anfaal (8), ayah 65)
Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and return calmness in the hearts of the believing people thus relieving their anxiety. Allah accepts the repentance of whom He wills. Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.’
(Surat-at-Tawbah (9), ayah 14-15)
‘Fight against those who believe not in Allah nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger and those who acknowledge not the Religion of Truth (i.e. Islam), from among the People of the Book, until they pay the jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.’
(Surat-at-Tawbah (9), ayah 29)
March forth, (whether equipped) lightly or heavily, and strive hard with your wealth and your lives in the Cause of Allah! This is better for you, if you but knew.’
(Surat-at-Tawbah (9), ayah 41)
Those who stayed away (from Tabuk expedition) rejoiced in their staying behind the Messenger of Allah; they hated to strive and fight with their wealth and their lives in the Cause of Allah, and they said, 'March not forth in the heat.' Say: 'The fire of Hell is more intense in heat,' if only they could understand!' So let them laugh a little (and they will) cry much as a recompense of what they used to earn (by committing sins). If Allah brings you back to a party of them, and they ask your permission to go out (to fight), say: 'Never shall you go out with me, nor fight an enemy with me: you agreed to sit inactive on the first occasion: then you sit (now) with those who lag behind.’
(Surat-at-Tawbah (9), ayah 81-83)
But the Messenger, and those who believed with him, strove hard and fought with their wealth and their lives (in Allah's cause). The good things are for these people, and it is they who will be successful. For them Allah has got ready the Gardens (Paradise) under which rivers flow, to dwell therein forever. That is the supreme success.’
(Surat-at-Tawbah (9), ayah 88-89)
But there is much more. Nothing unfounded here.:thumbs:
A true Bible Believing Christian would hope to see all people come to a saving knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ.
A true Koran believing Muslim would hope to kill every "infidel" on the face of the planet.
If I understand his point, he is saying it is not ok for Muslims to do this kind of thing just as it was not ok for the blacks to be treated as they were (during and after slavery). The point being we have people within our own ranks who are also wrong. And unless you are in the practise of rating sin's, as sin is a sin. Wrong is wrong. There is no greater or lesser wrong. This is my understanding but I don't want to put words in his mouth.
Now on the other hand I do know there is a lot in the karan teaching that appear militant in nature. I am glad my God doesn't teach against hating that which isn't like you. Or does he? Wasn't the KKK a Bible believing christian based organization?
What does slavery or the KKK have to do with the muderous nature of Islam.
What do you think? Where in the Bible do their hateful beliefs come from? I wouldn't consider them to be biblebelievers.
"that which is not like you"
A clear oversimplifcation. However my anger toward Islams jihad is appropriate.
Man's rejection and extermination of that which is not like him I'd say... You call Islam murderous as if the KKK were a group of boy scouts... We just didn't call it murder, remember?
Please provide the quote where I said the KKK were a group of boyscouts.
I am not associated with the KKK .
From what I see, the Quran calls for Muslims to kill infidels. It calls for them to be murderous.
However, I also see many Muslims who believe Islam to be a religion of peace.
Conclusion: Most Muslims know as much about the Quran as most Christians know about the Bible.
I do find it interesting, though, that liquor was unknown until about the 9th century, and it was invented by an Arab. They were smart enough to promptly ban it.
I do not defend the extremists!!!
I defend the peaceful loving human who has not come to Christ as He said to love ALL people.
My nephews are Air Force and 1 has been in the Middle East and I am very proud of him. Even he, who has been there and made FRIENDS with some of them know not to judge an entire religion based on there Extremists
I cry when I hear of bigotry, however justified one may feel.
Again, do NOT get me wrong, I do NOT defend the extremists. My sinful self judge the men and women who believe there martyrd blood sends a pleasant smell to Alah and there belief of killing an infedel. But I will NOT judge every soul who believes in their religion and I will pray they come to know Christ as the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
I thank God every day that the intelligent person does not blame every Christian for the thoughts of a member of the KKK, or Hitler - supposed Christians who believed any one who was not white was not worthy and deserved death
Am I over reacting my comparing KKK to Hitler, I do not think so, one killed based on color of skin.... the other killed based on religion.... Ovr simplified perhaps, but the main points
I go by Jesus word's not to judge and to love all man and that they will get there's at judgement. Must have faith.
Does this mean I will let myself be killed and turn the other cheek and not not be filled with anger when I watch the news and see another terrorist attack. NO NO NO
I know, this is me being contradicting and a bad christian in that I find it hard to turn the other cheek as it is a command of Jesus but I am only human and pray every day about it
All I am defending are the people who are kind and loving and again I will pray they come to know Jesus
I have made many muslim friends over the years (as a Christian I felt it necessary to reach out to those that would be discriminated against).
I have found during this process a couple of things.
1. Christians in America are considered 'targets of opportunity'.
2. an Anglo muslim from the USA thinks more like a muslim from Iraq than an American Christian ever could.
3. They are almost all racists. Within their web of religious and political dominance, there is a pecking order of who is 'best'. Saudis and Iranians vie for top title. Bengalis are usually ranked at the bottom.
4. When a religion fosters hatred like Islam has, the cancer of hatred spreads throughout the culture of the people and consumes them all.
a. Women are brutalized (often by better 'true believing' women)
b. Outsiders are mistrusted.
c. Violence is often expected and encouraged.