Christian left ?

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  1. Bro. Curtis

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    Gotta say I agree with this article. Not talking Republican/democrat, rather conservative vs liberal.

    http://townhall.com/columnists/colu...ullough&dt=01/14/2007&page=full&comments=true



    For the Christian Left to claim connection to true Christianity is to deny its leftist tendencies and for them to claim connection to the aims of the political left is to deny its Christianity.
    They seem to share more anger for fellow Christians than they do towards evil. And this reality while unexplainable is nevertheless present and growing in influence.

    This week I entertained one of the main spokespersons for the movement Dr. Tony Campolo. I asked him directly as to why his new book Letters to a Young Evangelical seemed to have such great disdain for the Christian Right.

    He responded, "It's the sense that they come across as judgmental, they come across as being the people who have the whole answer to everything and are not willing to give credulance to any other point of view, and it’s that absolute closed mind set that emerges from that context."
    He responded, "It's the sense that they come across as judgmental, they come across as being the people who have the whole answer to everything and are not willing to give credulance to any other point of view, and it’s that absolute closed mind set that emerges from that context."
    Dr. Campolo went on to complain, as is also reflected in his book, that in the 2004 election cycle, ballot initiatives across 11 states to ratify marriage as a relationship between a man and a woman, "In almost every case in the marriage initiatives the ballot measures were used to deny gays all kinds of other rights." When asked for proof of this assertion, he cited two examples neither of which held weight under even simple scrutiny - and he admitted as much too at least one of them.

    Another key figure to this group is Jim Wallis, who preaches the gospel of helping the impoverished wherever he goes. His claim is that this is the single focus issue of his life's work. He and Campolo both do so interestingly enough while complaining that the Christian Right are only a "two issue" focus group - abortion and gays.

    Neither is truthfully representing their positions in doing so however. Both are on record opposing the efforts to defend biblical marriage from being redefined. Both viewed the state ballot initiatives as insincere merely meant to gin up an angry evangelical riot in the voting booth. Both have branched out to embrace the false issue of humanity caused global warming. Both also supported the Christian Left's newest star - Rick Warren - in the controversy his stubbornness dug himself into by insisting upon the right to have Barack Obama give advice at Warren's recent AIDS conference.

    All three men shun the thought of biblically based Christians from standing firm against the creeping peril of evil in our culture. "Be more tolerant," they would advise. "Reach out with love and understanding, not judgment and division."

    The 'Christian Left' is rife with such belief.

    Unity, forgiveness, mercy, and constant appeasement are to be more highly favored than righteousness, holiness, faithfulness, and obedience.

    In doing so the 'Christian Left' also claims to align itself with liberal ideas for the cause of helping the poor, the oppressed, and the downtrodden. When I asked Dr. Campolo for an example he actually cited, "a woman's right... to vote." What is this 1920?....
     
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    I know a phrase was repeated, I can't seem to edit it out. I tried three times, so please, I know it's a mistake, so try to focus on the substance.
     
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    Whether I agree with the rest of the article or not, there is ample proof of the second statement right here on BB.
     
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    Yes, yes, yes and no.

    If you're gonna criticize, at least get it right.
     
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    I don't see how you can say that. I don't hear the left giving any indication that they want to protect us. It seems like the Left fears Wal-mart more than Islamo-facism.
     
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    I can say so because I am speaking from a position of personal knowledge. Besides, Wal-Mart is at least as dangerous as Islamo-fascism.
     
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    Should I agree with you, I might offend the left.

    Well, I guess they are offended often enough. But, I agree!

    :thumbs:

     
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    You cannot be serious. If you are, get help.
     
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    I'd enjoy help in spreading the word, thanks.

    To be honest, Wal-Mart is dangerous, but I was pulling your chain about it beng as dangerous as Islamic Fundamentlaism. I think I've shared my views on the dangers of Fundamentlaism in any religion...
     
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    Well that's what I thought.

    I want to also say, that I will never vote for anyone who doesn't vow to fight to stop abortion. And that's my number one issue with the left. A close second is the way the left is trying to stifle the global warming debate. I think it's unbiblical to align one'self to work to save the planet, especially with Christ denyers, when God said it's people we need to save.
     
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    Unfortunately, being a tree hugger is not itself a sin . . . (unless of course you are murdering, worshipping nature, commiting acts of terror, etc).

    But, there are so many sins that we should be against.
     
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    I never said treehugging was a sin.
     
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    Why would anyone who thinks that God intends to trash this world in the very near future and who thinks he will get "raptured" when living conditions get only a little worse work to make this a better world to live in? Doesn't he want to get "raptured?"
     
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    Thank you for the humor, Bro. Curtis. I just got my automobile back from the repair shop, I needed a laugh.
     
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    Why "unfortunately"?
     
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    Ephesians
    5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
    5:7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
    5:8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now [are ye] light in the Lord: walk as children of light:


    I'm not saying liberals are not saved, but I am saying, in my opinion, that bible study & prayer can only lead away from the liberal positions. Especially concerning abortion, global warming, and capitalism.
     
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    I used to feel the need to classify myself as a con/lib or Rep/Dem until I realized that Jesus couldn't be classified with either side. As Christians, we shouldn't attempt to box God into a corner.

    Jesus had liberal qualities and conservative qualities. God gave us the earth to care for, the sick to heal, the poor to help, the homeless to house. The whole "personal responsibility" mantra won't play with God either, as indicated by the stumbling block references in the Word.

    Christians honestly have no business being Republicans or Democrats. Being a Christian should be enough.
     
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    Democrat/Republican do not translate to Liberal/Conservative. I thought I made that clear.

    Where would Jesus stand on the three things I mentioned ?
     
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    I believe he would stand against the person, be they liberal or conservative, that were guilty.

    Jesus wasn't a strict conservative or liberal.
     
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    I can see you won't answer the question, so I won't ask again.

    Anyone else ?
     
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