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Christian Non-Negotialbles?

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by cowboymatt, Jan 28, 2008.

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  1. cowboymatt

    cowboymatt New Member

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    Of course, but which one of us is really arrogant enough to say that we can't learn from someone that we disagree with or even from someone who is wrong?

    What ever happened to learning from other's mistakes?
     
    #61 cowboymatt, Jan 31, 2008
  2. Heavenly Pilgrim

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    HP: Excellent point. :thumbs: That is one of the great benefits of lists such as this one. As we converse with each other and work through the issues, even those on the very verge of ‘toe-nail ridiculous’ opinions, we can gain immensely in not only our own understanding but in developing better and more effective means of communication with those steeped in error or simply confused.
     
    #62 Heavenly Pilgrim, Jan 31, 2008
  3. Matt Black

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    It is a matter of historical fact that the Church existed before the Bible did if, as I assume, by the term 'Bible' you mean Old and New Testaments combined. The OT of course existed before the Church but the NT didn't. That's an historical fact.
     
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    Same thing to an extent; for me the greater importance of the ECFs lies in the fact that they were products of the HS's action within the Undivided Church of the first millenium; the actions of the HS in the Church after that get a bit more 'blurry' IMO!
     
    #64 Matt Black, Jan 31, 2008
  5. cowboymatt

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    This is true. I would even say that we should way the ECF's by the rule of faith, i.e., the NT.
     
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  6. Matt Black

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    Re the non-negotiables of the OP, here's my list:-

    1. Apostles', Nicene and Athanasian Creeds and, in particular,

    2. The Trinity as defined by Nicaea I and Constantinople I

    3. Christological definition of Ephesus and Chalcedon

    4. Salvation by grace through Christ alone

    5. Authority and divine inspiration of Scripture
     
    #66 Matt Black, Jan 31, 2008
  7. cowboymatt

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    In my opinion, I think that your #1 can be boiled down into your #s 2-5. Also, #s 2 & 3 can be put together under "Trinity." This would leave you with three: the Trinity and all the orthodox believes thereof, salvation by grace through Christ alone (which I call the efficacy of the cross alone for salvation), and the authority of Scripture.

    I'm on board with you is what I'm saying! :)
     
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    Thanks, although I'm not sure #3,4 & 5 are explicit within #1 (#2 is explicit within #1) - I guess you could say they're implicit though.
     
    #68 Matt Black, Jan 31, 2008
  9. Born_in_Crewe

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    I would say:

    1. Believe in a single, real God
    2. Belief that Jesus existed, came to Earth and died on the cross, in order to save sinful man.
    3. Belief that Jesus rose from the dead in order to prove his divinity
    4. Accepting and repenting of one's personal sins and putting faith in Jesus Christ.

    I like to keep things as simple as possible, in order to make it easier for people to understand Christianity. I also like to be as universal as possible, providing it does not contradict the Bible. I also think if somebody has NEVER had the opportunity to believe in Jesus, e.g. if they have neer even heard of Jesus, then they will be judged on either what they would have believed if they could, or their faith according to the light that they have known.

    Remember that God doesn't actually want to send anyone into the Devil's hands, so if he can find a way to save them he will. If they are unsaved however, he will be forced to punish them according to his own laws.
     
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  10. cowboymatt

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    Thanks for your contribution. However, this thread's not necessarily about whether an individual is a Christian, but whether a group, ministry, church, etc is Christian.
     
    #70 cowboymatt, Jan 31, 2008
  11. Born_in_Crewe

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    Sorry, my mistake!
     
    #71 Born_in_Crewe, Jan 31, 2008
  12. cowboymatt

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    Its okay. Your comments were still very helpful.
     
    #72 cowboymatt, Jan 31, 2008
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