Christian Radio and Psychobabble

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  1. Martin

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    Has anyone else on this forum noticed how most of the popular Christian radio shows are nothing but politics and psychobabble?

    What happened to good old fashion Bible based preaching? I know it is out there, but it can be hard to find. Most of what I hear on Christian radio is psychobabble dealing with family relationships, emotions, feelings, health, and money. Worse yet many of the methods they promote are either questionable or clearly unBiblical. The programs that actually teach the Word of God are few. Very few. Why is that?

    My personal opinion is that people are more comfortable with psychobabble than they are with the Word of God. Why? Because psychobabble allows them to justify their behavior, excuse sin and disobedience, and be self-centered. I think the principle of 2Timothy 4:3-4 applies.
     
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    I don't listen to the Christian stations that have this stuff.. I tune to others...
    I like the ones that play mostly music...
     
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    I agree, the bible is hardly ever used when dealing with problems anymore.

    But then again you have churches poping up left and right who no longer focus on God's word when preaching. More topical and forget about dealing with sin!

    And you have Christian message boards who would rather focus on personal opinions than God's word.

    And don't even get me started on the so called "Christain" music....which is far from Godly!

    So what can one do when it is everywhere?
     
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    I agree with the OP. I travel about 1200 miles a week spanning from State College PA to Alexandria VA and the psychobabble stuff is pretty popular. Now there is a station out towards Bel Air/Havre de Grace (MD) area that plays some great bible preaching programs, but I don't get that way much.

    The popular preachers that are on those psychobabble stations (Stanley, Begg, Swindoll) I will listen to on occasion but generally I just switch over to talk radio and listen to their preaching instead:laugh:
     
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    1200 miles a week? Zowie!!

    Yes, authentic Christian radio is hard to find. When I was on the road I enjoyed J. Vernon McGee.

    TBN and Daystar TV leave a lot to be desired, as well.

    The "purpose driven church" is wreaking a little havoc here and there, too.
     
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    I think that Christian counslers can give "feel good" advice, and we need to be on the watch for that.

    However, I believe that a good soldid counsler who uses Biblical guidlines can be very effective, and pleasing to the Lord

    Salty
     
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    Because the plain, straightforward teaching on the Scriptures doesn't sell.
     
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    Certainly any counsler who uses the Bible will be very effective. However many of these psychobabblers give questionable advice, sometimes unBiblical advice, and focus on feelings (postmodernism) rather than on truth. Personally, and I don't mean this to sound wrong so please understand it the way it is meant, I am tired of hearing how people feel. I'm tired of all these sappy emotions and the "Oprahization" of the church. It's time to get back to Scripture and tell it like it is. I have some "minor" theological differences with Dr. Ergun Caner (LTS) but we agree on all the main things (essentials) thus I consider him a brother in Christ. I am greatful for his ministry in part because he preaches against this emotionalism all the time. He is not afraid to stand up and say it like it is. It may not be popular, it may not win friends, and it may cost everything, but we should speak the truth (in love) to this generation. That means from the pulpits, on Christian tv/radio, at work, home, and in the public square we must proclaim the truth. All of this feel-good, mushy, post-modern, psychobabble does nothing but fog up the important issues. Sin is sin. No amount of psychobabble will change that and people, mainly professing Christians, need to learn that fact.

    As I continue my study of Puritans and the Pilgrims I have come to see that they seem to have understood this concept better than we do. They focused on the truths of God's Word, they wanted to be faithful to the Lord, and many of their preachers sought to help them do that. Those preacher did not use psychobabble, nor did they flower the message up with sugar and spice. They just told the truth. That is what we need to be doing. I am not against psychology or counseling as long as (a) it takes second place to the Scriptures, (b) it does not contradict the Scriptures, and (c) it is not used to excuse sin. In other words I am all for Godly counselors. However the modern evangelical church seems to be more attracted to less than Godly counselors who use wordly methods and give worldly advice which leads people to focus on themselves and their "feelings". We need counselors who will lead people to look towards the Lord first, others second, and themselves last.
     
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    Preach it!

    Say, have you considered having a radio show? ;)
     
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    If the people in churches would not tolerate religious nonsense then they would not attract and keep those pastors who are interested in keeping their job by preaching comfortable passages.
     
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    It is one things to say all the right things and quite another to do the right things. Even the world thinks church is for women.

    If the men quit acting like women and the women quit taking the lead and acting like men then perhaps we might have some real men and women in the church.
     
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    I believe there is a fine line between using scripture and psychotheropy. As we all can see on this board alone, not everyone has the same interpetation when it comes to scripture and simple truths at that.

    I have seen how uneffective constantly quoting scripture at someone without really listening to what they are saying and who may not be ready to be acountable to God's word yet. Sometimes all someone needs is to be heard and and know that others care about them....this alone can help them see that God also cares and therefore makes it easier for them to WANT to obey his word.
    It helps to know you are not the only one going through the problems you may have.

    Even Paul said for those who are mature in Chrsit to desire MEAT not milk anymore...some people need milk and some need meat. If you read how Jesus and Paul and others handled people, it was with compasion and empathy. A trait not often found in men, but more so in women.

    Teaching truths without scripture is wrong and so is teaching truths without empathy, understanding and compasion. They should go together. IMHO
     
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    How ironic! You use two men for examples (albeit one is the Lord), and then have the boldness to make a sexist remark to say that women are generally more compassionate than men. That is unscriptural and insulting. Compassion is one of the fruits of the Spirit. It is available to anyone who seeks to live a Godly life, no matter what gender they may be. The closer one walks with God, the more compassionate they will be; the more of the fruit of the Spirit will be displayed in their lives--NOT the more "feminine" they will become. There is no greater story in the Bible of compassion, then that of the Good Samaritan, and HE was a man. A close second is that of the Prodigal Son, and "the father," obviously was also a man. "Jesus wept." Over and over his compassion is shown. We are commanded to be like him. It is not a trait reserved for women.
     
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    Hey....

    That's just what I was going to say!;)
     
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    DHK if what you say is true why are women MOTHERS and according to the bible admonished to stay home and take care of the children? Even in wild life it is the female who is the one who nurtures.

    Now you are going to tell me that scientifically men do NOT use their left brain more and women use both sides. That women do not multitask better than men.

    Sorry you were offended by facts. Women are more compassionate and ephathetic. Even the movie industry knows that men love violence and science fiction movies and women love, relational movies and reality shows more. When is the last time you cried over something you saw?

    Maybe you are different but I doubt it. LOL
     
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    I clearly remember a study done on TV showing the differences between men and women and they had one where there was a little girl sitting against the wall and over and over it was women who would stop to see if the girl was ok and needed help. Men hardly stopped at all. The study showed and I am sure so do other studies that Women are more compassionate.
     
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    Men and Emotions

    Dr. Ron Levant, a professor at Harvard University, coined the term "normative male alexithymia". He teaches that most North American males suffer to some degree from the conditioning of our culture which causes men to be underdeveloped emotionally. His research shows that men have developed two primary responses to emotional issues. For vulnerable feelings including fear, hurt and shame, he sees men using anger as the "manly" response. For nurturing feelings, including caring, warmth, connectedness and intimacy, he sees men channeling these feelings through sex. It is called normative because his research shows that this limited dual response of anger or sex is the norm for men.

    It is a male condition because he has found that women have a much wider range of emotional responses. He has found that women function through "emotional empathy"; whereas, men function through "action empathy". Emotional empathy is other oriented and exhibits the capacity for understanding interpersonal perspectives and emotions. Action empathy is self-serving and presents itself as the ability to enter into another person's point of view from the perspective of knowing what the other person is likely to "do". That is why men want to fix. Fixing is a "doing" activity. Alexithymia is the condition where "doing" replaces the cognitive step in the emotional experience. We can see this in the way that the four steps of the emotional process function:1) emotions originate in the limbic system in the brain;2) then, they move to the autonomic and endocrine systems;3) next, they move to the muscles and skeletal systems which engage theflight or fight activities (doing); and4) lastly, the cognitive awareness of the emotion is experienced.

    Dr. Ron Levant believes that many men stop the emotional process at the third step and, therefore, cut off the cognitive awareness of the emotional experience, i.e. control their emotions. The result of stopping the emotional process at step three is that emotions become somatized in the body, resulting in physical symptoms such as: constrictions to the chest, throat or face, shortness of breath, upset stomachs, headaches, backaches, tension in the shoulders, insomnia, high blood pressure and heart disease.

    How do men learn to handle emotions in this way? In the North American culture, there has been a persistent theme that one can call the "traditional male stereotype". From the Marlboro Man to Clint Eastwood and from football heroes to the father and grand-father who went before them, men have learned to do the following:

    - control your emotions - "Don't cry, be tough!"- be self-reliant - "Stand on your own feet and solve your own problems."- perform - "Work hard, achieve high performance."- compete - "A winner never quits and a quitter never wins."- avoid being feminine - "Don't be a wuss! Be a man."- disconnect sex and intimacy - "Be a great lover"

    1 :: 2 :: 3 :: If you click on the whole article there is 3 pages this was only the first page.

    http://psy.rin.ru/eng/article/87-101.html

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    I have noticed very little political jargon on our stations...however we are losing a lot of the good ones due to lack of funds for supporting their broadcasts....breakpoint was my favorite of the political ones however...
     
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    Read Genesis 3
    Because God put them under a curse. (part of the fall).
    They were to bear children, and they were to bear them in pain.
    They were to be subservient to their husbands.

    The Bible goes on to explain that it is the man that must provide for his household. And the role of the woman was to stay at home and raise the children. Now what is your point? Are you saying that in all of that one is more compassionate than the other?
    How compassionate was Jezebel?
    How compassionate was Athaliah?

    2 Kings 11:1 And when Athaliah the mother of Ahaziah saw that her son was dead, she arose and destroyed all the seed royal.

    Athaliah was "compassionate" enough to murder all of her children. Compassion comes from being Godly. It comes from having the fruit of the Spirit. It does not come from a sex.
     
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    What does any of that have to do with the FACT that women are more compassionate and show more empathy than men do?

    Where are your sutdies showing they are just as compassionate...you won't find any because they are not. This isn't something the bible has an answer for, it just is.

    Just goes to show there are many GREY area's the bible is silent on!
     
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