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  1. popsthebuilder

    popsthebuilder Member
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    Look, don't put words in my mouth. If you want to misinterpret the teachings of God and or Christ be my guest. I know that Christ and God are one. For you to say that I have said anything but is a bold faced lie. I do not appreciate that as I will not lie about any of you.

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    No. The message is that Christ came from God and there for is God. But to take it further as in to say that we have all been forgiven for all sin regardless of our sinful actions is false. You can sin all your life. If you repent, as in if you find God you can be saved. Many Christians seem to take this as free reign to do whatever they want regardless of if it is bad or not because they have already been saved by Jesus. This belief is counterproductive to good. If all are forgiven for every possible act then what is to keep us on the righteous path?
    Acceptance is chaos. And not truth. Our actions will, or the lack there of will determine our destiny.

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    You have an interesting way of phrasing things. You know that they are one; but do you say Jesus is God?
     
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    Well, I can't say it's been nice knowing you, because it hasn't.

    Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
     
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    That is indeed what I said. However I feel that wording can be confusing and can also be a means of prejudice. I attempted to word things in an open manner, or without prejudice.

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    Where you really confused things was when you said God made Jesus.
     
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    It doesn't state Jesus came from God. It states creation came through Christ. As does 1Corinthians 8:6 "yet for us there is one God, the Father,*from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and*through whom we exist."
     
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    Did God not send Jesus as proof of his presence?
    In the Torah does it exclaim that Christ made existence or that God made all, including Christ?

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    Christ was not created He has always been.
     
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    Fundamental misunderstanding. God sent Himself, in the form of a man, called Jesus. The Torah denies the divinity of Christ, thus missing the point that Jesus made all because Jesus and God are the same.
     
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    So if that was the case then why is the word Christ not used in conjunction with God or Lord in the Old Testament, before Christ?

    Wasn't Christ after the events of the the Old Testament, at least to some extent?

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    Wow, the Old Testament misses the point? Are you sure?

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    Jesus was of 2 natures existing in one. One divine, one man. Full human, full God. Islam denies that. They deny Jesus for who is. That is the warning we get in 1John chapter 2:18-24.

    John 14:6 says Christ is the only way to salvation. "Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

    Without the redemptive(live, death&resurrection) work of Jesus, there is no way to God. Without faith in Jesus, their is no salvation

    Romans 10:9
    "because, if *you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart *that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved."
     
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    Because "Christ" is Greek and the NT was written in Greek whereas the OT was written in Hebrew an Chaldea in some places. It means anointed one and is the Greek equivalent to Messiah.
     
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    Still doesn't really answer anything, unfortunately.

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    They sura in no place says that. No where does it say Jesus is God. In fact it says he was just a messenger, like the messengers before him. You are twisting.

    The teachings of Christ keep us on the right path. The Holy Spirit is always with us. Christians do sin. I have never meet the Christian that believes they can sin all they want. This is a heresy and has always been addressed by Christians.



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    What is it you believe it does not answer?
     
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    Pops, you may have missed this:

     
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    Not twisting. It expressly states that he is the only pure messenger and that there was never and never will be another. I will not manipulate what I know to be truth through God, as I don't want to be damned by God as blasphemous. Thank you.

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    Sura 5:75 "Christ, the Son of Mary, Was NO MORE THAN A MESSENGER; many messengers were before him...." Sura 5 seems to downplay the person of Christ. Seems to call him just another Isaiah or Daniel.
     
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