Christians and War

you show me a scripture that says that we are to be passivists and let evil rule over us without a fight.

John

 

We don't kill "in Jesus' name." We obey those that God has placed over us. We serve the masters according to the flesh, and defend those God has given us to take care of for Him (families).

 

>but I don't think He intends for rogue dictators to threaten our families.

Talk is cheap. You REALLY afraid of being invaded by Iran??????

 

Ecclesiastes 3:3

 

Most people who degrade our military and speak of love not war, never lifted one finger to serve this nation. However, that does not stop them from exercising the freedoms and liberty the Constitution guarantees us. Their idea of being patriotic is singing the National Anthem at a ball game, or putting out a flag in their yard on July 4th, if they bother to do that. Since we all have a right to our opinion, pseudo-patriots make me want to throw up. They speak of Biblical and Christ like principles, yet, in this area, they take and take, and never give. They depend on others to sacrifice time, careers, and their very lives to give them the right to flap their jaws like the posts in this thread. While they are in their air conditioned office preparing a sermon, or going to the park with their families, someone is in 110 degree heat risking their lives and fighting for right to remain free. I have seen this type of mind set all of my life. You have the right not to have joined the military, but you have no right to hide behind your warped interpretation of Scripture as an excuse for not doing your fair share.

You are probably the same people that for three years now have posted time after time about Obama not being a Christian. (I am making a point, I have always voted Republican or conservative third party). Yet, you will turn right around this year and pull the lever for a man who is on record as not believing Jesus Christ is God, and Savior. You will pull the lever for Mitt Romney when he pursured the exact same policies as Obama when governor of Mass. in the area of health care, gun control, gay rights, and abortion.

So, how is the beam in your eye compared to the military?

 

Ask the families of the 911 victims if talk is cheap.

I wasn't afraid of a terrorist attack until it happened.

John

 

I never said "without a fight", it is a spiritual fight, destroying the works of the devil, tearing down strongholds.

Satan came to kill, steal, and destroy.

Jesus came to give life, and more. Not to condemn, but to save!

I do not let evil rule over me, I overcome evil. How do we do that?

12:11 And they overcame him (Satan) by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

You keep echoing American pie rhetoric, it's opposite to the Christian walk. It's prideful. It's flesh.

You fail to show scripture supporting a Christian army going to war killing flesh.

I am surprised you have not pulled out OT verses that have nothing to do with Jesus, but support war and killing.

Is America your God?

Is your right to kill done in faith?

What will you do when all nations go against Israel?

You have eaten plenty of Herods leaven, repent and believe the gospel of Jesus Christ.

 

No one here said America was their God. That is a conclusion you came to by your own logic, just like your opinion about the Scripture you just posted. Your opinion is not Scripture. Although America is not my God, God has granted me the blessing of being a citizen of the best form of government that we as flawed humans have devised in our history. Every word you type is protected by the Bill of Rights and the Constitutution. And someone is risking their life right now for your right to exercise such rights.

 

No one here said America was their God.

It is evident that you value The Bill of Rights over "deny yourself to become like Him."

"...just like your opinion about the Scripture you just posted. Your opinion is not Scripture."

If you are born again, how do you overcome evil?

Although America is not my God, God has granted me the blessing of being a citizen of the best form of government that we as flawed humans have devised in our history.

Notice "...the best form of government that we as flawed humans have devised in our history."

Human devised, not God.
If God did not have a hand in it, guess who did?

Jesus avoided being natural king over His followers.
Why?
The Kingdom we seek is not like kingdoms devised by flawed humans.
"Beware the leaven of the Pharasees and Herod."

 

I believe I provided several references to scripture...and they weren't OT.

 

Sure there is form the op

If there is no standing army there is no national defense.

 

We should keep our standing Army over here, in case we really need it someday. I say cut miltary spending, not out of weapons developement, but out of troop deployment.

 

I am not against that. In fact we should cut some of everything with regards to federal spending.

 

This was a somewhat wacky article, equating standing armies as being the secular equivalent of Christ's Great Commission. The author then attempts to make an argument that fulfilling the Great Commission is an attempt at improving society. No, the fulfillment of the Great Commission is to see souls saved. An improvement in society is a positive side effect.

It then asserts that any person dying in an ungodly war is the equivalent of human sacrifice to the idol of standing armies.

It implores people not to join the military.

The type of national defense advocated in the article is to "Pray for Peace" and to form local "biblical" militias.

Quite frankly, I think the author is .22 caliber pistol in a .357 magnum world to think that the only defense that we need is a Red Dawn type of citizen militias that would only be active if our country were invaded.

 

I seek the kingdom of God as much as you do. The difference is my surroundings are the world we live in, and yours is the Twilight Zone. You mumble some verses about seeking His Kingdom. Tell me, how are you doing that? Standing on top of a mountain waiting for a UFO or a band of angels to wisk you away. No, our number one reason for being here, and the way we seek the kingdom of Heaven is to tell others about Jesus, in this physical world. The kingdom is inside us. I am not sitting around waiting for this physical world to take on sinless, spiritual qualities. I am not waiting for the highway department to start paving the streets gold. I am telling others about the Lord. That has nothing to do with the Army, Navy, Air Force or Marines.

For all of your lofty spiritual quotes, I will bet you ten rosary beads you are the exact person who would throw a lever for Mitt Romney.

 

What are rosary beads and who is Mitt Romney?

 

No one is that plain and simple.

 

Excellent posts, seekingthetruth!

 

The USA should be like Switzerland. They are strong for national defense. Every young man must serve for a period in the military, and thus they are more than prepared to defend their country. But they don't go around trying to police the world, meddling in other countries' affairs, nation building, or trying to spread democracy by force!

Our founding fathers advised against such foreign entanglements.

The US is 5% of the world's population but spends 50% of the world military budget. We spend more than Russia, China, and all of Europe combined.

Some of you are for national defense, all right -- the national defense by the US of every country in the world.