Christians arrested at Muslim festival in Michigan.

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Dale-c, Jun 19, 2010.

  1. Dale-c

    Dale-c
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    May 22, 2006
    Messages:
    4,145
    Likes Received:
    0
  2. Berean

    Berean
    Expand Collapse
    Member

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2006
    Messages:
    817
    Likes Received:
    1
    Those arrested accomplished probably what they set out to do. I have no desire to attend a Muslim Rally.
     
  3. Jon-Marc

    Jon-Marc
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2007
    Messages:
    2,752
    Likes Received:
    0
    What is it they wanted to accomplish? Had it been Muslims at a Christian rally filming, nothing would have been done to them for fear of causing retaliation from them. If the Christians were disrupting the Muslim assembly, that is not the way to spread good will and God's love.
     
  4. annsni

    annsni
    Expand Collapse
    Administrator
    Administrator

    Joined:
    May 30, 2006
    Messages:
    20,171
    Likes Received:
    369
    I would venture to say they set out to get some real video of real Muslims and maybe to preach the Gospel to some. I do hope they DID accomplish that.
     
  5. Pastor Larry

    Pastor Larry
    Expand Collapse
    <b>Moderator</b>
    Moderator

    Joined:
    May 4, 2001
    Messages:
    21,763
    Likes Received:
    0
    They were arrested for disorderly conduct. They have some laws and rules in the city of Dearborn about this, and apparently they were not in the bounds of the law. There have been several articles about it, though I can't find them all.

    http://www.freep.com/article/20100620/NEWS02/6200421
     
  6. annsni

    annsni
    Expand Collapse
    Administrator
    Administrator

    Joined:
    May 30, 2006
    Messages:
    20,171
    Likes Received:
    369
    However, it doesn't sound like disorderly conduct to me. If Westboro cannot get arrested for disorderly conduct, how can a few college kids videoing and speaking to people be disorderly?
     
  7. Pastor Larry

    Pastor Larry
    Expand Collapse
    <b>Moderator</b>
    Moderator

    Joined:
    May 4, 2001
    Messages:
    21,763
    Likes Received:
    0
    There was more going on I think. There are certain rules and regulations for the festival, and I think they violated them. I don't know all the ins and outs, but there has been some controversy over it.
     
  8. pinoybaptist

    pinoybaptist
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2002
    Messages:
    8,123
    Likes Received:
    1
    I've been a street preacher for a number of years in the past.
    Street preachers go to where the "sinners" are.
    In our case, we went to where the Roman Catholics congregated, we passed tracts around and preached on the sinfulness of idolatry during their processions and their festivals, the same thing these guys did.
    We went to where the other cults were.
    Where the SDA's congregate, where the JW's went, where the local Church of Christ (no relation to the Christian church of Christ here) went.
    We went to lovers' lanes and the dark places of parks where lovers petted, and sometimes.....
    We got spat on, stoned, slapped, had tracts torn and thrown at our faces, been given "the bird" with the finger just an inch from our faces.
    One of us got stabbed, one got shot (but not hit), we got ganged up on, and some members of the military who were members of the Roman Catholic church, in one town, actually walked up to us and told us to pack up, leave, and we will get home in one piece, otherwise.....
    And when we got to our churches, oh, man, testimony time.
    About how brave we were for the gospel.
    About how sinful men were.
    About how God-rejecting sinners were.
    About how we were willing to die to get sinners saved and redeemed and converted.
    The flesh, the flesh, oh, how the flesh was fed.
    The only thing I truly resent about this Dearborn incident is how this country is so liberal and so politically correct it doesn't recognize when an elephant is almost in its living room.
     
  9. Berean

    Berean
    Expand Collapse
    Member

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2006
    Messages:
    817
    Likes Received:
    1
    Notority primarily. Tea Party Members do not attend a Harry Reed Rally for enlightment or information. Neither as a Baptist do I attend JW or Morman conventions. I do not want to aquire my moment of fame this way.
     
  10. ReformedBaptist

    ReformedBaptist
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2007
    Messages:
    4,894
    Likes Received:
    27
    I am glad they went out to the Muslims. I hope too they went to preach the Gospel to them. If the Law prohibits the preaching fo the Gospel to them, then the Law need not be obeyed.
     
  11. Jon-Marc

    Jon-Marc
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2007
    Messages:
    2,752
    Likes Received:
    0
    I can't help but wonder about the motives for some Christians going to places where they are not wanted or welcome, and where they will more than like be attacked. Is it truly that they are so concerned about the lost souls, or is it so that they can go back to their own people and talk about how they were persecuted for their testimony?

    I learned the hard way what happens when we are more interested in our own glory than in God's glory.
     
  12. pinoybaptist

    pinoybaptist
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2002
    Messages:
    8,123
    Likes Received:
    1
    I am not in any way trying to belittle the efforts of those who sincerely believe they need to have the gospel be heard in order for the "lost" to be "saved", but a random, sporadic, one-on-one with a "prospect" seems to be a little more credible than something like this. In my own Arminian experience, oftentimes the really sincere, self-effacing one is the quiet, solitary, "soul-winning" guy who keeps the persecutions he/she may encounter, kinda like a "between me and the Lord" idea.
     
  13. Dale-c

    Dale-c
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    May 22, 2006
    Messages:
    4,145
    Likes Received:
    0
  14. annsni

    annsni
    Expand Collapse
    Administrator
    Administrator

    Joined:
    May 30, 2006
    Messages:
    20,171
    Likes Received:
    369
    Well, THAT is a whole different ballgame! I can clearly see where they were not only disrupting the peace but tresspassing and violating people's civil rights!! I'm so glad that they were taken off the streets so Muslims can be safe.

    :BangHead:
     
  15. Pastor Larry

    Pastor Larry
    Expand Collapse
    <b>Moderator</b>
    Moderator

    Joined:
    May 4, 2001
    Messages:
    21,763
    Likes Received:
    0
    The law doesn't prohibit preaching. I know a number of people who regularly take the gospel to Muslims in Dearborn.
     
  16. Dale-c

    Dale-c
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    May 22, 2006
    Messages:
    4,145
    Likes Received:
    0
    Exactly, it does not prohibit this. The law also does not prohibit giving out copies of John's Gospel on public streets either.

    However, if there were a law against preaching the gospel (as there apparently is in muslim controlled countries) then that law should be cautiously ignored.

    It is too bad that we have idiots like the Phelps cult that make people think of that abuse when people attempt legitimate apologetics.
     
    #16 Dale-c, Jun 22, 2010
    Last edited by a moderator: Jun 22, 2010
  17. John of Japan

    John of Japan
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2005
    Messages:
    12,212
    Likes Received:
    192
    I'm amazed at the comments by Baptists on this thread. The motives of those trying to reach Muslims for Christ are questioned, and they are attributed with the motive of seeking notariety. Yet they broke no laws that I can see, and they were clearly assaulted and persecuted by the (no doubt) Muslim "security" force.

    Do you people know anything at all about Islam? If these men were in a Muslim country, even one without Sharia law like Turkey, they would be severely persecuted. The convert from Islam to Christianity would probably be murdered as commanded in the Koran. Anyone they won to Christ would be in danger of being murdered. I'm currently reading a missionary biography entitled Too Hard for God? by C. M. Marsh, a missionary to Algeria, in which just that happened to Christian converts from Islam.

    I have been in a Muslim country (86%, the rest mostly Hindu--I can't reveal anything more) and saw a baptism in which 46 people were baptized. Church security (just young men, actually) refused to allow Muslims in to see the baptism, which was on private property, unlike the festival in Dearborn Heights. Why? Because the purpose of the Muslims was to find out what ex-Muslims were being baptized so they could beat (and maybe kill) them--not just witness about Islam to them. The church has to have all of its services in the daylight, none in the evening. Until that decision was made, Christians were routinely beaten on the way home from evening services.

    Islam is a vicious, anti-Christian religion, but Muslims can be saved. I saw it for myself. You who are criticizing the Christians (and attacking their motives) for trying to reach Muslims for Christ, what are you doing to reach Muslims for Christ? Until you can speak from actual experience I suggest you are out of line for criticizing those out there on the firing line.
     
  18. Dale-c

    Dale-c
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    May 22, 2006
    Messages:
    4,145
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ann, from what I have seen, it seems that a lot of the problems is that there are a minority of muslims (these CHristians have said the majority cause no problems) will say anything to get rid of them.

    They will lie to police to get them arrested.
    Many people just can't believe that this would happen without them doing something stupid.
    I am very thankful for video cameras that show just what happened.
     
  19. Dale-c

    Dale-c
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    May 22, 2006
    Messages:
    4,145
    Likes Received:
    0
    John, thank you for that post.
    The muslim attitude is so much different that our own that many here in the US just can't seem to bring themselves to believe it.
    Well, it is true and this did happen.

    Also, it is worth noting that one of these men was scheduled to have a public, formal and moderated debate with a muslim along with others this past week end.
    Also, I believe at least one of the young men is a converted former muslim.

    I am not easily offended but I find that post highly offensive.
    We can't know motives. All we can see is actions.
    THe actions were that 3 Christian men and one Christian young lady (18 years old) who tried to politely share the gospel and dialog peacefully with those of a false religion were arrested in the US.
    That is what we know. I see not one iota of evidence to suggest any ulterior motive.
     
    #19 Dale-c, Jun 22, 2010
    Last edited by a moderator: Jun 22, 2010
  20. annsni

    annsni
    Expand Collapse
    Administrator
    Administrator

    Joined:
    May 30, 2006
    Messages:
    20,171
    Likes Received:
    369
    Those boys were quite wise to video tape the happenings. Nothing like a picture to show what TRULY happened.
     

Share This Page

Loading...