Christians.....Kiss It GOODBYE !

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  1. LadyEagle

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    BETHLEHEM,

    Birth Place of Our Precious Lord Jesus Christ
    (not Mohammed) will soon be under
    Islamic Rule of Law

    (thanks to the Bush Road Map from Hell):

    Breaking News:


    Jerusalem Post

    I failed to mention that G-d will not kiss it goodbye!

    Gen 12:[3] And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.--G-D

    [email protected]


    http://www.christianity.com/foi
     
  2. KenH

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    Wasn't it under the control of non-Jews before the war in 1967? Were Christians allowed to visit then?

    Anyway, not being a Catholic I am not really interested in visiting man-made shrines which no one is even sure if they are the correct historical places to begin with.

    This world is not my home - including modern day Israel, Bethlehem, Jerusalem, etc. If dispensational premillennialists want it, ya'll are welcomed to it as far as I am concerned. [​IMG]
     
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    Tell us how you really feel!
     
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    I think that there are a few sites that are significant to Christians that are under the rulership of non Christian groups.

    This site is operated by the Catholic, Greek Orthadox and another Orthadox church (I think).

    I have seen on t.v people lining up to go and kiss a metal plate where it is supposed to be. On that basis, we have to proceed carefully, It is a good thing to look at places that have significance to our history, I am sure that to be in a place where it is known that Jesus was would have an interesting feel to it. Yet we are commanded in the bible not to build shrines and things of that nature.

    I hope that we can get a peacefull resolution to the Middle East crisis. For all of the Road Maps and various peace accords, none has brought the peace that we desperatley seek. Let us not give up in prayer that our Father will bring Peace to this situation.
     
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    The point is not that these are shrines. Yes, there are man made shrines which are gaudy. But don't forget, there are Christians who used to go to the Holy Land to visit places from the Bible.

    I know quite a few people who have gone to the Holy Land in past years - not to kneel & kiss some shrine, but just to visit the region and see some of the places from the Bible.
     
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    My sentiments exactly! There is too much emphasis placed on relics when we have the Word of God, and it is true that the Catholic Church has a monopoly on all the site there and they would rather see the Holy Land in Palestinian hands anyway. Besides it is a political issue not a spiritual one.

    "Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed."
     
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    Wouldn't it be nice to be able to visit a Bethlehem at peace, rather than risk life to visit it as it is today, regardless of who governed it?
     
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    Boy I have to chuckle at this. You really think under Islamic Law you will be able to visit Bethlehem at peace? Well, go for it! I'm sure the violence & threats of homicide bombings will stop once the terrorists get everything they want. After all, one person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter! LOL! :rolleyes:

    Of course, you all are right. It is a bunch of Catholic shrines, so why should Baptists care? They'll just stick a crescent moon on top of the Church of the Nativity & everything will be hunky dory. After all, it's all the same god we worship, anyhoo. :rolleyes:

    Archeologists shouldn't care, either, because everyone knows how the Muslim world treats Christian & Jewish artifacts with the utmost respect, based on their past history. :rolleyes:

    As to the Christians living there, who cares what happens to them? They probably aren't REAL Christians anyway since they're probably all Catholic. They'll be treated just fine under Islamic Law, judging from how Muslims treat Christians in other Islamic nations. :rolleyes:

    Besides, everyone knows the land belongs to the Palesinians, even though there are no such people & they all came from other Arab countries and even though there are 50 other Muslim nations to go live & there's only 1 Jewish nation. So who cares?
     
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    What about Scarsdale?

    Haruo

    PS: Arab rule in Bethlehem will not necessarily lead to "Islamic law" (by which I suppose you mean shari'a even if you don't know what you mean); the "nonexistent" Palestinian Arabs of Bethlehem used to be predominantly Christian, but the area has been largely islamicized as an indirect but real result of the Israeli occupation.
     
  10. LadyEagle

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    The non-existant Arabs of Bethlehem who are Christian will be driven out by the Islamists. Just like is happening in Indonesia. (not meaning Arabs, but people of the same ethnicity who are different religions) [​IMG]
     
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    There are Baptist churches there, too.
     
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    The problem in Indonesia is not religion, its ethnicity. The Islamic extremists want a racially pure Indonesia, ala Saddam Hussein and Iraq. I speak with some authority on this subject. It's how my family came to the US. My family is mixed race Indonesian and European. I still have family there that are ethnic Indonesian and Christian. The extremists don't bother them because of their Indonesian features.
     
  13. LadyEagle

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    John, didn't your family leave quite a few years ago?

    Things have changed in the past few years:


    Link

    From 2002:

    http://www.persecution.org/news/alert2002-08-16.html

    2001:

     
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    We left when I was younger (I'm in my late 30's). I've since become a US citizen & the whole nine yards. I don't want to give out too much personal info in a public forum.

    We should not only remember Christians that have been killed, but also the moderate Muslims, buddhists, and Hindus in the region. Anyway, I didn't intend to take part in this thread per se, just to interject some info about Indonesia. I'll bow out right about here [​IMG]
     
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    Good Idea. [​IMG]
     
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    As long as dollars and Euros are spent by Western Christians, the sites will remain open, believe me!
     
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    I'm really not sure what all the fuss is about. From 1949 to 1967, and even from 1517 to 1918, when Bethlehem was under 'Islamic Rule' (whatever that means :rolleyes: ) there was no problem, from the Muslims at least, on Christians visiting the 'Holy Places'. The only trouble was caused by the Catholics and Orthodox arguing over who should run them - from 1774 to the early 1850s it was the Orthodox,largely as a result of pressure on the Turks (who administered Palestine until Allenby's conquest in 1918) from the Russians. Then the French under Napoleon III started flexing their muscles on behalf of the Catholics, and this was one of the causative factors behind the Crimean War.

    I agree entirely with Haruo - the current perceived 'threat' from Islam would be a lot less if the Israelis would back off and stop radicalising the Palestinian population. If anyone is at all worried about this, that is where they should address their concerns.

    Yours in Christ

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    "and it is true that the Catholic Church has a monopoly on all the site there"

    Control of the 'Holy' sites in Israel is shared between several denominations, it is NEVER just the Roman Catholics. They are in fact on the whole the smallest faction.

    Some cynics have pointed out, that maybe the real reason Baptists don't care about the issue is that we don't see a chance to get our fingers in the holy sites pie ourselves.
    :D
     
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    Hey, why don't we start the crusades all over again? That way Christians could be in control of Jerusalem. :rolleyes:
     
  20. NeilUnreal

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    I agree with the point, RevG. I can't imagine Jesus cares one way or the other which religious faction is in control of some particular piece of real estate.

    -Neil
     

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