Christians, Stand up for Jesus!

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  1. DanielFive

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    Here's a challenging article I read recently:

    I hope this article will encourage some of the many Christians on this board to stand up and be counted here on the music forum. Sure this is probably the most hostile forum on the Baptist Board but this is where the truth is most needed.

    Many Godly Christians have stayed away from this forum because of the nature of discussion that takes place here, that is not the right attitude, we must stand up to the ungodly and contend for the faith once delivered.

    There are also many Christians who are in effect 'sitting on the fence' on the music issue, those who seem to be able to tolerate the good name of Christ being dragged through the mud here because they want to avoid confrontation. I say it's time to climb down off the fence, stand up for the truth.

    No doubt I'll be pilloried for this post, whats new? Frankly I'd rather be disliked for speaking the truth than be popular for being tolerant of flagrant worliness and sin.
     
  2. Joshua Rhodes

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    Bro. Enda,

    Where's that article from? You posted no reference.

    In His Grip,
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  3. DanielFive

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    Joshua, if my memory serves me correctly the man who wrote the article was called Gary Ruby.

    I have posted the article almost as written, I did remove one or two references which I thought were maybe too offensive and I added a one observation myself to make it relevant to the music forum.

    The question of who wrote the article is irrelevant anyway, unless of course you want to engage in personal attack upon the writer and I know thats not your style Joshua.

    Too often, in my opinion people try to blur the issue by trying to question the source, this as been done time and again with David Cloud for example. I can assure you David Cloud did not write this article, not that that would change anything of course. I believe the article to be correct in what it is suggesting regardless of who wrote it.
     
  4. Joshua Rhodes

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    Bro. Enda,

    I was just wondering. No malice or hate-mongering intended... just wondering for my gee-whiz bag.

    In His Grip,
    joshua

    PS: Ahh... I think I see your addition now. [​IMG]
     
  5. Dr. Bob

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    Good article and thank you for it.

    Would only disagree with the conclusion that the Music Forum is the most hostile.

    Tame, bro, Tame compared to many others!! :D
     
  6. JonathanDT

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    I wouldn't be surprised if there are non-Christians posing as Christians online. I can think of many posts on this message board where I just sat back and shook my head in wonderment at the absurd legalism that was posted. Almost like an atheist writing satire on Christians' "holier-then-though" attitude. Then they further make themselves look like nonbelievers by posting random verses and totally ignoring the context of the verse. I don't want to name any names....

    BTW, if there are people like this article claims, I highly doubt they're doing it to try to destroy the church. :rolleyes: If I was an atheist and my goal was to destroy the church, I wouldn't do it by infiltrating Christiam forums and suggesting such diabolical things as rock music isn't evil. The only reason that would matter is if I thought rock music really IS evil and the work of Satan. In which case I'm certainly not an atheist/agnostic, now am I?
     
  7. DanielFive

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    Jonathon,

    Personally I am most concerned by those misguided individuals who believe they are serving Christ whilst in fact they are being used of Satan to corrupt the minds of impressionable Christians. Eg. Those who have don't seem to have grasp the meaning of the new birth, seperation, total surrender, worshipping in spirit and in truth, etc. etc. Basically I am concerned that poorly taught Christians are being allowed to influence the thinking of others. I'll not mention any names either.
     
  8. JonathanDT

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    Just my opinion, but legalism is much more damaging to the church then rock music could ever be. I think the problem is we disagree on the amount of extrapolation of the Bible in the area of music and Christian freedom. Be careful not to assume that just because someone disagrees with you they are poorly taught. Could be that they are simply so well educated that they know a little more then you. Just a thought.
     
  9. DanielFive

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    Makes me wonder how you define legalism Jonathon, you do realise that when Jesus rebuked the Pharisees of His day He was not talking to saved people. These people were legalists who tried to merit salvation on their own terms by keeping a bunch of useless rules.

    People like yourself use the term legalism to justify sin and evil. I would say the term 'legalism' is very rarely used correctly these days. Usually when I hear the term, legalism, it comes from a doctrine rejecting, sin justifying person who has a heart far from God.... and doesn't care.
     
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    The problem with the Pharisees was that they were making up laws that were made by man, instead of those that were written by God. Anyone who makes up rules about anything in the name of God that is not to be found in explicitly in the Scriptures is involved in legalism. Trying to make the case that a specific music is sinful is legalistic, as that is a law that isn't found in the Bible.

    No, I don't think they use legalism to justify anything. Your final sentence is exactly the kind of thing that a Pharisee would say.
     
  11. JonathanDT

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    Do you realize the when Paul rebuked the Judaizers, he WAS talking to saved people? I define legalism as pushing a standard onto other people that is not supported by the Bible. It is often accompanied by a "holier-then-though" attitude such as the one demonstrated in the below quote:


     
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    I see you're back to your self righteous finger pointing. Let's take this to the music debate thread so we can continue your thrashing. To use one of your phrases, you have demonstrated an unteachable spirit, and I think it's high time we at least get you to acknowledge that you have absolutley no moral basis, Scriptural or otherwise for passing the judgement on others that you take so much pleasure in doing.
     
  13. DanielFive

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    Nice to see you boys back together.
     
  14. Molly

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    Guys,

    I do think there are some that just simply do not understand the harm done when the music,or anything else done in a worship service,is done to strictly entice people or make people think that God is cool,my buddy,my pal. I think we are losing a lot of fear of the Lord and reverence when this approach is the emphasis of any church music program.

    I,also,have seen very well meaning people do this for the sake of the lost...I have seen a real heart for the loss from these people. I think they do not understand how to share Christ with them through their changed lives and the Word. They think that somehow inviting them to church will do the trick. The church becomes what the lost would prefer,and the church suffers. God is not glorified and the church loses a great deal of authenticity.

    I said all this to say,they do harm to the church,without understanding the implications and the harmful trends that go through churches over the years. Most of these people,I believe, are God loving christians who have been deceived.

    Yes,There are some here on the forums and in our churches.

    About legalism--legalism is anything that says being good and following the law is what saves. It undermines Christ's ultimate sacrifice and His blood that was shed and says that man,if he follows these rules can be saved.

    On the other hand,a saved person will want to follow God's ways as recorded in His Word. This is not legalism...We should follow everything God has laid out in scripture,but our salvation does not depend on it. It will show if we are truly His Child,though.

    Just my thoughts....Your welcome!

    Friends to all,

    Molly [​IMG]
     
  15. Molly

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    One other thing,

    I think some of you need to think before you post such harsh words to Edna...self righteous,legalists,etc? Edna? :confused: I have not seen this from him at all....he has his thoughts on the music topic and I think we should all respect that and BE NICE! Just because you may not agree is no reason to bash. That makes me sad!

    The Christlike attitude should be seen in every area of your life...even when people disagree. ;)

    Molly
     
  16. Travelsong

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    Nice to see you boys back together. </font>[/QUOTE]Let's get back to the debate enda. What are you so afraid of? Is Aaron no longer around to feed you irrelevant links that you don't understand anyway?
     
  17. DanielFive

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    Not at all Travelsong, banging your head against a brick wall of ignorance can get tiresome, but I think I've had enough of a break from you now so I'll be posting in the debate thread shortly.
     
  18. Travelsong

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    For once we are in agreement. If your debating style can best be described in one statement, you just crystallized it. There can be no doubt I feel like you've been banging my head against a brick wall of ignorance.
     
  19. Sherrie

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    Bro. Enda! Great article! I was thinking some of these very words!

    Thanks for sharing this!

    Sherrie
     
  20. Mike McK

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    I disagree.

    Clearly the point here, as is SOP in Enda's posts is that he is the "real Christian" and we all are just poseurs.

    Glad to have you back, by the way.
     

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