Christmas Hypocrites

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  1. Eladar

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    Those who say that celebrating Christmas is good, but having kids believe in Santa Claus is bad are hypocrites.

    Should Christians Celebrate Christmas?

    Either Christmas should be celebrated or it shouldn't be celebrated.

    Biblical Christians know that the celebration of Christ's birth is not instructed. It is not a salvation issue.
     
  2. Jim1999

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    Those who say that celebrating Christmas is good, but having kids believe in Santa Claus is bad are hypocrites.
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    Any occasion to celebrate the Lord is good. The equation quoted above is a question of relevance rather than one of hypocrisy.

    The story of St. Nicholas is true. The fables developed around Santa Claus are false. This is what we must teach our children from the beginning. It is a worldly thing. It is the thought of goodwill in the world, and this can never be a bad thing.

    It is generally accepted that most likely Jesus was not born on December 25th. The history of the church adopting a pagan festival date to inject the birth of the Christ is a known. The oratorio of Handel's Messiah is really a celebration of the resurrection, but it has been adopted at Christmas time. Is this too, wrong? I think not. It is but another opportunity to present the birth of our Lord at a time when the world around us is prepared to hear about His birth. So it is with Christmas.

    I have some very good photos of my children sitting on Santa's lap. Not once did they ever think that Santa Claus was a real person, and they never confused the birth of Jesus with the birth of Santa Claus.

    Cheers,,,,and Happy Christmas,

    Jim
     
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    We were the same as Jim. When the kids were little, we did the Santa Claus thing, but it was always just a fun thing and never in the same category as Jesus, EVER.

    When they each got older, our explanation was that it was important for each of them to know that some gifts were given 'just because' and for the sake of Love. This provided the transition that they needed and we were still able to have fun.

    To this day, sometimes Santa will leave a gift to the family 'just because.' It's a fun thing still, just like it always was.

    By the way, my children also know that Christmas is NOT the actual time Jesus was born, but may well be the time when the magoi first saw the Christ child! This link may be of interest regarding that:

    http://www.ldolphin.org/birth.html
     
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    It is a worldly thing. It is the thought of goodwill in the world, and this can never be a bad thing.

    So Wicca is a good thing. Any religion that a person chooses to follow, as long as it has the thought of goodwill is a good thing.

    The oratorio of Handel's Messiah is really a celebration of the resurrection, but it has been adopted at Christmas time. Is this too, wrong?

    The last time I checked, when one should listen to Handel's Messiah is not a salvation issue.
     
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    Is walking down the street a salvation issue? No! So do you stop walking. Either you should walk or you should not Walk.

    LOL Which one is it.

    Should we listen to Christian Music even though the World has their own Music? Is it wrong to take a worldly song and change the Lyrics so it brings Glory to God?

    Of course not.

    If your intentions are to give glory to God for the birth of the Son why is that wrong?

    Romans 14:1-8
    1 ΒΆ Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
    2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
    3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
    4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
    5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
    6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it.
    He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
    7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
    8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

    This can be said about alot of things but more or less Paul is telling us to do it to the Lord.

    [ December 13, 2002, 12:04 PM: Message edited by: ONENESS ]
     
  6. Eladar

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    Evidently, some believe that having your young children believe that there is a Santa Claus as apart of the secular aspect of Christmas is evil.

    They go as far as believing it is their job to inform these misguided children that there is no Santa Claus. If someone is going to do this, then that person must believe it is a salvation issue.
     
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    So your problem is not with Christmas its with Santa Claus?
     
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    My problem is with those who believe that it is their job to go against the wishes of the parents.
     
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    Ok so you are saying that if someones parants dont want the kids to think that Santa Is a real person that the third party should not teach them that Santa is a real Person?

    And do you think its wrong for kids to go sit on Santa's lap as long as they know it just for fun?
     
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    Biblical Christians know that wiping ourselves after using the restroom is not instructed. It is not a salvation issue.
     
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    John,

    What was your point? The last time I checked, believing in Santa is not unsanitary.
     
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    Forgive me, it wasn't directed at you per se. 'Twas my sarcasm seeping to the surface once again.

    There are many people who believe we should not do something (like celebrate Jesus' birth) unless we're instructed to biblically. If we're to apply that to much in our modern lives, we'd be restricted from doing a great many things we today take for granted.

    I don't believe that celebrating the birth of Christ, or anyone's birthday, is inappropriate for the Christian. The site you posted has several inaccuracies. 'Nuff said on that.

    As far as Santa, what do you mean he doesn't exist? Is there something you guys aren't telling me?

    [ December 13, 2002, 01:16 PM: Message edited by: Johnv ]
     
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    We always "did" Christmas, but something never really added up...Then when our son got caught up in the Apostolics(Oneness/JesusOnly), they did not "do" Christmas.

    So I set out to prove them wrong & in my study, I was enlightened! Everything I needed to know was found on Baptist websites, older encyclopedias & the KJBible.

    The fact that many folks do know the truth but do not give it up, shows its captivating enslaving ability. The "good will" always ends on Jan 2.

    The world says it's all about Jesus...since when did the world care about Him? "Jesus is not the reason for the season; Christmas is a season looking for a reason!"
     
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    1.) The Birth of Christ is recorded in the Scriptures. So it is ok to preach about it.
    2.) There is only two birthdays in the Scriptures I can think about. Herod and Pharoh. Could it be the reason why God didn't give us the day and date of His birth is so we don't make it a holiday/holy day.
    3.) All holy days are created by God, not man. See lev 23.
    4.) Jeremiah 10:1-4 God tells us to

    Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel: Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.

    5.) The Reformers taught to stay away from popery and not observe their holy days.
    6.) John Calvin never specifically taught against ChristMASS but he never observered it.
    7.) We should only worship the LORD as He instructs us in HIS WORD.
    8.) Only in the past 100 years has ChristMASS became more prominant in Protestantism

    It is my belief people don't want to get rid of it because it feels good. How many times have I sinned where I thought it felt so good it has to be right. Having ChristMASS is being disobedient to God.

    Most "born-again" Christians are against me on this. I would say 10 to 1. But they are all wrong.
     
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    Nimrod,

    I totally agree with you, except I go the other way with it. I see Christmas as a secular holiday. It has absolutely no religious aspect for me. It does for my wife, but not for me.

    Are you against celebrating birthdays too?
     
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    Twice in this thread already you have stated that to those who do not believe in celebrating Christmas in one way or another affects their salvation. When a person comes to Christ his/her salvation is taken care of. "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus" (Rom.8:1). "He that hath the Son hath life; he that hath not the Son hath not life. You either have eternal life or you do not. Believing in Christmas/Santa Claus etc. is not in any way going to affect your salvation. Neither is lying, or even stealing. It will affect your relationship with God, but not your salvation. None of this discussion has to do with salvation.

    To some people here the celebration of Christ's birth on Dec. 25 is sinful, especially with all the worldy trappings and the pagan custom roots from which it comes, and pagan customs to which it still adheres. The very word Christmas, a Catholic word, means Christ's mass, the celebration of the mass of Christ on Christmas day. Merry Christmas means "happy or joyful" death. "Mass" literally means "death." What is so joyful and blessed about death? These things require at least some contemplation by those intending to celebrate Christmas. To those who already, for reasons given above, decide not to celebrate the occasion, do not say that it is a salvational issue. It is not.
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    ChristMASS is a celebration of Christ in the MASS. The MASS is blasphemy against GOD. We can thank the Pope in the 4th century for this. Pagans we worshipping the "SUN" and they didn't want to get rid of their day, so the Pope compromised and made the day to worship the "Son".

    On people B-day's, Thanksgiving and the July 4th.
    All three are not holy days for the LORD. They are just celebrations, no "will-worship" to God for them.
     
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    Greetings, MEE; may the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you and yours during these perilous times! ;)

    Yes~I am well aware that some of the 'apostolics' around here still keep their "traditions". And some wear long sleeves and some don't. But all believe you must speak-in-tongues for salvation. :(

    Where do I get this "Jesus Only" thing? Well, they say it's because we must be baptized in the name of Jesus only, but I think it's because the 'oneness' believe that there's only Jesus! :rolleyes:

    Yes, I believe there is ONE True God, who is the Father and is the Son and is the Holy Ghost. Satan is out to destroy everything he can with his lies & we are seeing more & more of his handiwork.

    EVEN SO, COME, LORD JESUS!
     

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