But then whenever is the cross useful to the souls already in hell ? Or do you mean to say that his salvation extends to the souls in hell ? So, were you there when God planned the salvation of His people ? I do not remember reading anything in the Bible that says God consulted with man as to his responsibility in His redemption of souls. Is everything He told His disciples and apostles always addressed in a general way to all men and concerns all ? Where specifically is the Scripture that references this action to be done by the creature so the Creator can save him ? And the Scripture that says the act of redemption and salvation must be followed by assent to that salvation on the part of the sinner ? The problem is I am not the one on record in the Bible as saying it is finished. Christ Himself is. Now, either He lied, or He was in extreme duress He did not know what He was saying. Can you clarify that for Him ? Well then Paul was lying when he said the Ephesians were seated at heavenly places in Christ Jesus, and he lied a second time when he said he was crucified with Christ because the Bible never said he was already there during the execution of Christ, and if Paul lied, then the Bible is not worth believing, right ? If on the other hand you will argue to the contrary why shouldn't I be able to say "at Calvary". Nope. I would rather rely on what is on record about Christ, who He is, what He did, and the hope that those who trust Him have, than to utter words that I will doubt tomorrow, then claim again the next day, and be kept in a vicious cycle of human frailty.