Featured Church discipline gone wrong?

Someone like David?

 

It's actually quite effective when used with the guidance of the Holy Spirit as opposed to thinking there's a set time frame for the person to "get it" and repent.

 

Me thinks...

....from Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggart, Ted Haggard, Paul Crouch, and a whole host of others. I know for sure, that the above all publicly stood before their television audiences and cried their eyes out as they made confession and asked [begged] for forgiveness!

Nothing in the Word to support this practice, but, it is still a worthy attempt to right the ship they sunk with sexual indiscretions! :type:

BTW - all four are back at the helm of some form of ministry. You might remember that Paul Crouch was caught in fornication with a member of his staff, and the sin was a same-sex relationship that involved drinking, drugs and a costly attempt to cover it up. Money that came from the gifts to the TV Ministry. Money meant for the ministry but used as hush money! And the guy decided to write a book, a few years later, breaking the paid for silence and bringing domm and gloom to TBN, bor a short time! :tonofbricks:

SEE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scandals_involving_American_evangelical_Christians

 

Does this mean....

....you accept this practice? :wavey:

 

Ah.....I have too too much to say about this (all experience bound) ...... Did they repent? In both cases, yes they did. Did they depart from their iniquity, again in both cases "NO" they did not & repeatedly. Where are both now, well both are or were in prison. One died of aids there after forcing sex on children. SO, how does one know just who is sincerely repentant & who is not?

 

What your really trying to say is FAT.....Chunkey Monkey would also do.

 

The one's who believe the person needs to repent need to be guided by the Holy Spirit. The process is often rushed because they aren't seeking God's face about the timing.

I've heard horror stories in the past that kinda went like:
Day 1: Person A asks Person B to repent of a sin. Person B says no or keeps doing as he was.
Day 2: Person A takes Person C and D to confront Person B and ask that he confess and repent. Person B says no or keeps doing as he was.
Day 3erson A goes to the church to have Person B called before the church to confess and repent. Person B says no or keeps doing as he was.

Day 4: Person B is removed from the church.

There needs to be consideration given for the Holy Spirit's timing as to when to move through each stage.

Galatians 6:1 describes the correct attitude of believers when exercising church discipline: "Dear brothers and sisters, if another believer is overcome by some sin, you who are godly should gently and humbly help that person back onto the right path. And be careful not to fall into the same temptation yourself."

Gentleness, humility, and love from the Holy Spirit should guide the attitude of those who wish to restore a fallen brother or sister.

 

Jim, I make it a point to walk the dog about 45 min to 1 hr a day......preferably in the morning (before the heat builds). You gotta do it man.....if you want good health. & cut out bread! Bread, Pasta, Cake, Pizza etc are my addictions (Come from a Italian mother who served up carbs with love). Bad stuff...especially at our age. :smilewinkgrin:

 

I prefer Oh Beast, LOL!

Seriously, diabetes (DIEabetes), heart attacks, kidney failure, blood clots, strokes, amputations, blindness is not something to mess with....I was a size 40 waist & tracking 240 Lbs @ 6 foot. I have diabetes, nuropathy, & Ive had a heart bypass ....all because I had a sedentary lifestyle & stress ( tons of it). Im now down to 190 LB / in a size 36 & almost ready to throw the medications away (almost). Target weight is 175-180 (180 Lb for Christmas)LOL!

Id recommend the book, "The Blood Sugar Solution" by Mark Hyman, MD This guy is a culmination of many weight loss & prevention studies Ive read in the past.... highly recommend it if your serious.

 

Removing someone from the roll for lack of attendance is not church discipline. And we cannot forsake biblical principles because of abuses.

 

No not the same thing! Look if you want to screw up your life, I say have at it with the booze.... but just dont bring it into your relationship or job (I have a Grandfather, a wife, a MIL & a SIL --- oh & a brother (who is/was a Pastor) who are all alcoholics.

Bad gets worse with a Pedophile who either cant or wont reform. He destroys others, mostly children & their families. If you want the elongated version, I can give it to you but I dont think you want to go there.

 

The dog could use it, too. Thanks for the info.

Salty, I will get back to you tmrw. If not, holler at me again.

Thanks!

 

Because of the element of danger posed with those who have engaged in pedophilia in the past it is much harder to trust them. However, churches should have policies put into place that would never allow for something like that to happen.