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Are you attempting to assert that these four actions must be done for the sinner to be justified, regenerate, what?

 

The thread originator's profile says that s/he is "un-denominational," a practice used to distinguish themselves from non-denominational fellowships. S/he also used lower case "church of Christ" as thread title, which is a practice used to claim that their group is the entirety of the Lord's church.

I predict that the intent is to promote a certain portion of the Churches of Christ.

 

If you're actually describing faith as a work, this scripture won't do the trick. V. 29 calls belief in Jesus a work of God, not us. This is consistent with other verses which describe faith as a gift.

Such as, Ephesians 2:8-10, which specifically says that faith is a gift of God, and not of works.

By the way, I am a Baptist. Now you know where I'm coming from. If you are Church of Christ, why not just say so?

 

The coc doesnt believe that one is saved by grace thru faith, they believe that Baptism saves them and only baptism. Just ask them, they will tell you that you are not saved until you are baptized and they use certain verses out of context to make there point. They also believe that you can lose your salvation


This verse is used out of context of course to back there claim
Act 2:38 Then Peter said to them, Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ to remission of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

as well as
1Pe 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

 

It must be the season for Church of Christ people to come onto the BB board and convince us they are right!

 

Myself and other evangelicals would regard The International Church of Christ a cult. I use to attend their Crossroads Church of Christ in Gainesville, FL. The Crossroads Church of Christ used many cult tatics in winning converts. Man, they wouldn't give up in trying to convert me to their Church of Christ. I can say without a shadow of doubt, that the International Church of Christ is a cult.
Joseph Finn, Ph.D.( American Religious History)

 

I was born and raised in the church of Christ for 20 yrs and I started studying and connecting the dots and the Holy Spirit led me out of that Cult. Ive been out of it for 19 yrs but my Mom is still in the coC. Sometimes I go and visit her and I almost puke during the service at the stuff that they say and teach. Its a shame that they have the bible so twisted. I go about 1once every two or three years for a homecoming and it sickens me to hear how they twist the scriptures and take things out of context. That word right there is what got me out of the coC "CONTEXT" I wish that everyone knew about CONTEXT and that they didnt take one liners out of the bible and try to make the bible say what they want it to say. I went to a funeral of someone that I grew up knowing that was a member of the coC and my mom introduced me to a lady and it was kinda funny she said and what church do you go to and I said I go to the Baptist Church and you would have thought that I slapped that lady in the face, the way she looked at me. I wouldnt have expected anything less though.

 

Well, it is coming.

You present nothing new. Your positions have been presented here many times -- and refuted here many times. Maybe the long-time members like me get tired of this stuff, and are not eager to jump up and indulge you in the same `game.'

I had Valentine's Day this weekend with my fiancee, and she had a three-day weekend. I also have an evening job. Dealing with your positions yet again has a low priority to me, as very few people here are open to rejecting the Bible's teachings on salvation by faith. When I get around to it, I plan to address your positions yet again.

By the way, what did you read as "complaining"? I saw nothing to that effect.

Well, complaints, if they exist, prove nothing. The same is true of self-congratulation and boasting.

Your challenge had been up barely a full day when you posted the above. Self-congratulation and boasting is quite premature. Good night.

 

You want conversation, first I ask for your scripture to back up you claim that one MUST do the steps above then we will begin a civilized conversation.


Just so you know Im not argueing your steps, Im arguing your application of those steps
Hear
Believe
Repent
Confess
Be Baptized for remission of sins
These are your steps are they not. My view is that you are saved after the HEAR, and BELIEVE. We have to hear it before we can believe it,(TRUE) but once we Believe it with our hearts and accept Jesus for what he did for us, we are SAVED. We repent because of what Jesus did, people that are not saved, do not repent, We confess Jesus because of what he did for us, people that are not saved, do not confess Jesus as there Lord and Savior. We are baptized because we want to be obedent(spelling is bad) to the Lord, people that are not saved have no desire to be obedient.

Joh 3:14-18 But even as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, (15) so that whosoever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (16) For God so loved the world that He gave His only-begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. (17) For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but so that the world might be saved through Him. (18) He who believes on Him is not condemned, but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only-begotten Son of God.

 

You didn't debate. You asserted.

Your OP was an assertion taken right out of the COC statement of faith. This particular statement has been posted here many times:

Salvation is conditional.
"One must:
believe, repent, confess, and be baptized for the forgiveness of sins."
--This is old news. It has been rehashed here many times before. You stated not something uniquely yours; but something right out of the statement of faith of the COC. This is not your opinion. It is your denominational statement of faith.

That OP did not contain any Scripture. It was a statement contrary to Scripture. It contradicts Scripture. It presents a false gospel.

What issues?
That salvation is by works?
That salvation is by baptism?
Both of those issues are unscriptural and take away from the all sufficient blood of Christ--that His atoning blood was not sufficient enough to pay the penalty for our sins. You believe when Christ said "It is finished," that "IT" (salvation) was not finished, for you still have to add to the work of his atoning work of salvation by being baptized.
You will not get much of an audience here for those beliefs.

Let's repost again what you said:

Baptism is in that list isn't it? As long as baptism is in that list you believe in baptismal regeneration or salvation by baptism. That is the statement that others are making. That is the statement that you have made in your OP.

You opened this thread.
You jumped in here with both feet.
If you can't take the heat, then get out of the fire.

 

Okay, let's take the contention that faith is a work.

There's no question that faith and salvation are connected. Acts 16:31 "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved."

If faith is a work, then we earn our salvation by a work.

However, Philippians 1:29 says:faith is a gift:
For to you it has been granted for Christ's sake, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake....

So is repentance: Acts 11:17: God gives the gift of repentance:
When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

Further, Titus 3:5 clearly says salvation is not of works :"Not by works of righteousness which we have done...."

Now if salvation is by through faith and not of works of righeousness, then faith cannot be a work.

If it is a work, that salvation is not through faith.

Gifts cannot be earned.

 

If coc is a cult then why are cults allowed to post on the BB? Ang most people would agree they are a cult, they change biblical salvation, as we've seen demonstrated on this thread, by changing it it is no longer the salvation preached in scripture, it is a cult.
So again I ask, why are cults allowed to post on the BB? Is any cult/false relgion allowed to post here?

 

JSM17

Can one be filled with the Holy Spirit while in an unsaved unregenerate condition?

 

You can clear up any question by simply declaring what faith group you embrace. I don't understand the reluctance to simply say so.