Cindy Sheehan about Family and Casey the eagle scout

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  1. ASLANSPAL

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    To set the record straight and confusion Cindys family is behind her...Husband and three children.
    We all have aunts,cousins,and god parents we might
    never see or hear from who we disagree with ,that
    is true in every family to suggest Cindys Family
    is not behind her is supporting Drudge and the
    world of half truths.

    Cindy Sheehan

    Still putting out the O'Reilly fires of me being a traitor and using Casey's name dishonorably, my in-laws sent out a press statement disagreeing with me in strong terms; which is totally okay with me, because they barely knew Casey. We have always been on separate sides of the fence politically and I have not spoken to them since the election when they supported the man who is responsible for Casey's death. The thing that matters to me is that our family --Casey's dad and my other 3 kids are on the same side of the fence that I am.

    (An observation) I read this in the Washington
    Post

    SAN FRANCISCO -- He was an altar boy, an Eagle Scout, a church youth group leader. That is what people remember about Casey Sheehan, the 24-year-old soldier whose death in Iraq has become a flashpoint for debate about the war since his mother began staging a peace vigil outside the president's ranch in Texas.

    What a wonderful young man but also says something else what a wonderful and dynamic Mom.

    Just that testimony alone should have kept her
    from walking and standing in a ditch..just an
    observation.


    From Cindy Sheehans experience with George W.
    Bush and Laura Bush Friday.

    We had a very interesting day. We had Bush drive by really, really fast twice. I caught a glimpse of Laura. I was hoping after she saw me that she would come down to Camp Casey with some brownies and lemonade. I waited for her, but she never came.

    The Bushes were going to a barbeque/fundraiser down the road from us. I was very surprised that they let us stay so close to Bush. The families of the fallen loved ones held their son's crosses from Arlington West while Bush drove by. I bet it didn't even give him indigestion to see so many people protesting his murderous policies.

    I am a continued thorn in the side of right-wing bloggers and right wing-nut "journalists." One man, Phil Hendry, called me an "ignorant cow." But you know what, the people who have come out from all over the country to give me a hug and support the cause of peace, overwhelms me so much, I don't have time to worry about the negativity and the hatred. The people who are slamming me have no idea about what it feels like to unjustly have a child killed in an insane war. Plus, they have no truth to fight truth with, so they fight truth with more lies and hate.

    Three active duty soldiers from Ft. Hood came to visit me and tell me that they really appreciated what I was doing and that if they were killed in the war, their moms would be doing the same thing. That made me feel so good after all of the negativity I had been hearing from the righties. I also got to hold a couple of toddlers on my lap while their mom or dad took pictures of us. I am honored that people have resonated with the action that I took to make our mission of ending the war a reality.
     
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    Cindy is just a run-of-the-mill anti-war activist. She is different from returning veterans in that she cynically is using the death of her son as her credential with the anti-war group. Her intentions are very clearly stated at her anti-war website--she wants us to leave Iraq and just wait stateside for the next Nine Eleven. She has the support of 38 Democrat Congressmen.

    http://www.gsfp.org/
     
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    I respect her son and I am thankful for his service and sacrifice on behalf of all of us.

    It's a shame that his mother is exploiting his sacrifice for purely political ends. :(
     
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    The most tragic part of this entire episode is that if Mrs. Sheehan is successful her son will have died in vain, just like the 55,000 in Viet Nam. [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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    Amen, KenH!
     
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    She said:
    Cindy Sheehan

    Still putting out the O'Reilly fires of me being a traitor and using Casey's name dishonorably, my in-laws sent out a press statement disagreeing with me in strong terms; which is totally okay with me, because they barely knew Casey. We have always been on separate sides of the fence politically and I have not spoken to them since the election when they supported the man who is responsible for Casey's death. The thing that matters to me is that our family --Casey's dad and my other 3 kids are on the same side of the fence that I am."

    ==How can we believe this? Now that she has given two accounts of one meeting with the president, written articles and done tv ads for extreme anti-war groups, and made other wild statements, how can we believe anything she says? As I have stated before: The woman has lost 100% of her credibility.

    I believe she is willingly being used by the anti-war groups, and I believe she is milking the grieving mother stuff. I no longer buy any of it. I have been following this every day, play by play. All I am seeing is an extreme anti-war activist who makes all sorts of wild claims with little or no supporting facts.

    Btw, Yahoo News yesterday revealed the following things about Sheehan:

    She has a web-site
    She has a public relations assistant paid for by an anti-war group.
    She travels with a "entourage of peace activists and a speaking tour".
    She is a lifelong Democrat.
    She co-founded an anti-war group.
    She opposed the first Gulf War.

    Her statements about Bush are not trustworthy because: (1) they are contradicted by her earlier statements, (2) they are contradicted by other KIA families who have met with Bush, (3) they are contradicted by other accounts of Bush meeting with families (etc).

    Martin.
     
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    People are still parroting the smear by
    drudge and he is the genesis and the talking point
    to the points expressed here...they have all been knocked down.

    The salient point in all this for me is how she
    was shown the ditch and now we have a republican
    calling her a media XXXXX after she has been
    called a mother and a mom a thousand times in
    all the press releases...she raised her soon
    extremely well...eagle scout...youth leader in
    church. Just an observation the smear and half
    truths are coming from men who are right wing
    idealouges in an orchestrated campaign to play
    down and dirty ..from drudge to O'reilly. I think
    if you took a poll of women you would get a majority of women agreeing ..perhaps not with
    her politics but would agree this execellent mother of an excellent son ..should not be
    called a media XXXXX by a male republican..it
    crosses the line and it crossed the line for her
    to shown the ditch. imho

    Martin you say you are against the war which is
    fine and you do not have to share why but why
    isn't it alright for her to share why and do it
    openly ..it is still the United States of America.


    finally about drudge if you compare his loser
    life in growing up based on self loathing and
    the rumor/gossip business he does not even come
    close to Casey and Cindy Sheehan..that is a real
    family ..drudge is one sick puppy. imho
     
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    I do not question Mrs. Sheehan's ability as a mother in raising her children.

    I do question here veracity about her meeting with President Bush.

    I disagree with her political viewpoint.

    I diasgree with her smearing of President Bush.

    I disagree with her using God's name in vain in her speech to the Veterans for Peace gathering just before she went to Crawford.
     
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    Mrs Sheehan, like senators Durbin, Kennedy, and their ilk are bringing harm to the comrades of her son in Iraq. Does she care? I don't know.

    Do the people using her care? Absolutely not. They hate Bush and the Republicans so much they have lost all sense of decency and you name it! That hatred apparently comes either from a sense of self-loathing or hatred of this country, or both.
     
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    You said:
    People are still parroting the smear by
    drudge and he is the genesis and the talking point
    to the points expressed here...they have all been knocked down.

    ==Wrong. My information is coming from the original two articles and other news reports...not Drudge! This woman has contradicted herself, period. Anyone who reads the original articles knows this.

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    You said:
    The salient point in all this for me is how she
    was shown the ditch and now we have a republican
    calling her a media XXXXX after she has been
    called a mother and a mom a thousand times in
    all the press releases...she raised her soon
    extremely well...eagle scout...youth leader in
    church.

    ==All of that is water under the bridge. You can be a good mother and still contradict yourself. Thousands of soilders have been killed in this war in Iraq and very few of their families have met with the President. This woman had her meeting. She was pleased at the time. Now, after a year of active political brainwashing, she has changed her story.
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    You said:
    Just an observation the smear and half
    truths are coming from men who are right wing
    idealouges in an orchestrated campaign to play
    down and dirty

    ==O and her smears and non-truths are beside the point? She is very much in this game.

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    You said:
    Martin you say you are against the war which is
    fine and you do not have to share why but why
    isn't it alright for her to share why and do it
    openly ..it is still the United States of America.

    ==I have no problem with her opposing the war, or Bush. However I always, no matter the issue, have a problem with people who lie. She has given two very different versions of the meeting she had with Bush...now which version is true? And if she answers that question how can I now believe that answer? I can't. And all of her associations with far left groups are not helping anything neither is her wild claims.

    I am against the war because it was not necessary. There were other ways to deal with the Iraqi issue and none of those ways were given enough time. I said that then and I say that now.

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    finally about drudge if you compare his loser
    life in growing up based on self loathing and
    the rumor/gossip business he does not even come
    close to Casey and Cindy Sheehan..that is a real
    family ..drudge is one sick puppy.

    ==That has nothing to do with the issue at hand. Cindy Sheehan has made contradictory statements to the media at different times, and now all of this is coming to light. Btw I put Drudge and Cindy Sheehan in the same category. They are both political activists.

    Martin.
     
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    Martin, she also hurts her cause by resorting constantly to dirty language.
     
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    she also hurts her cause by resorting constantly to dirty language.....Yes she sure did. Martin.
     
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    Martin said

    ==I have no problem with her opposing the war, or Bush. However I always, no matter the issue, have a problem with people who lie. She has given two very different versions of the meeting she had with Bush...now which version is true? And if she answers that question how can I now believe that answer? I can't. And all of her associations with far left groups are not helping anything neither is her wild claims.

    I am against the war because it was not necessary. There were other ways to deal with the Iraqi issue and none of those ways were given enough time. I said that then and I say that now.

    =I don't think she has lied and has explained herself Martin in the mp3 audio and other news
    released it is well known drudge took what she
    said out of context completely...so it is your
    right to disbeleive her but she did respond and
    gave an explanation...but the onslaught of the
    noise machine through drudge,rush, o'reilly, and
    talk radio and repeating a lie and it just
    gets parroted and parroted as truth.

    I agree with you drudge with his lifestyle lived
    in abomination sells himself to the powerful and
    has an agenda $$$$ and ego.(Political Anti-Christ)imho


    What I like seeing and hearing now from the majority of people on this board.
    1.She was a great Mom..unquestioned.
    2.She should not be made to walk in a ditch.
    3.She has a right to protest and question.
     
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    I think that the majority of Democrats are against her. Her political program failed in 2004 and is unlikely to work in 2006.

    Her protest represents a security threat to everyone. It must be costing millions.

    She has hurt herself with her dirty language.
     
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    Not any more. Mr. Sheehan is bailing.
     
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    Moot point. The next 09/11 or worse will happen regardless of Cindy Sheehan and regardless of whether or not we are in Iraq. Some terrorists live among us.
     
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    You said:
    I don't think she has lied and has explained herself Martin in the mp3 audio and other news
    released it is well known drudge took what she
    said out of context completely.

    ==She contradicted herself, clearly. Again I am not quoted Drudge I am quoting the original interview she gave last year. She can try to explain away her contradictory statements (ie...the mp3 file) if she wishes but that only adds to her honesty problem. She needs to come to terms with her statements. Not just the ones where she contradicted herself but also where she made wild claims that no clear thinking person could abide.

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    You said:
    right to disbeleive her but she did respond and
    gave an explanation.

    ==Not enough. [attack snipped], if you will remember, felt sorry for what he did. My point? She needs to stop trying to "explain" her contradictions and admit them. She needs to distance herself from the political spin she is doing and she needs to stop the wild (often profane) statements. Then and only then can I even think about trusting anything she says. Right now if she was to tell me the sky was blue..I would have to verify it before I believed her. That is a serious problem.

    _____________________________________________

    You said:
    ..but the onslaught of the
    noise machine through drudge,rush, o'reilly, and
    talk radio and repeating a lie and it just
    gets parroted and parroted as truth.

    ==I heard O'Reilly tonight on XM. I agree with his basic point (rare). Her statements are contradictory. I wish you, and others, would be more concerned about consistancy than defending a political puppet.
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    You said:
    What I like seeing and hearing now from the majority of people on this board.
    1.She was a great Mom..unquestioned.

    ==That has nothing to do with her contradictory statements or her wild off the wall statements.

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    You said:
    2.She should not be made to walk in a ditch.

    ==When she comes clean about her contradictory statements, when she backs off her wild (unsupportable) claims, then I might start caring about her having to walk in a ditch.

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    You said:
    3.She has a right to protest and question.

    ==Yes she does. However that has nothing to do with the issue here.

    Martin.

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    I believe you Martin you did not go to drudge
    report eventhough you link to it from your blog
    and it is the only news issue link you have...are
    you being disingenious.

    You can defend drudge and defend him being
    on your blog...fine do so...but do not call me
    a name that is the highest insult in Christianity
    imo...who is the one being ashamed of ones own
    blog link.
     
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    Moot point. The next 09/11 or worse will happen regardless of Cindy Sheehan and regardless of whether or not we are in Iraq. Some terrorists live among us. </font>[/QUOTE]That's where I disagree with you and Peroutka. I agree that some terrorists live among us. I also agree that another attack is likely domestically. But I disagree that we should sit around and wait to respond. I believe that by destroying the hostile military organization in the Arab League and elsewhere, we also put the domestic sleeper cells on hold or make it harder for them to get orders from overseas because the head of the snake is being cut off.

    Mrs. Sheehan essentially is a re-run of Michael Moore complete with dirty language.

    Notice that she has the support of Julia Carson (Congressman from Indianapolis), whom you documented long ago, Lady Eagle, as a member of a socialist group. Although Julia Carson does not use dirty language in public and call the President vile names in public as Mrs. Sheehan does, it is clear that Julia Carson is against Bush every step of the way. Nevertheless, she rode to Indy from DC with Bush on Air Force One when Bush recently addressed Indiana Black Expo instead of the NAACP. Bush kissed her in public so it is likely that Julia Carson is more polite than Mrs. Sheehan and that Julia would not defend Mrs. Sheehan's dirty language.

    Hoosier Democrats tend not to call names and say dirty words in public as Mrs. Sheehan does. I believe that in the long run Democrats will reject Mrs. Sheehan political attacks as counter-productive and Democrats will seek a more educated and more polished spokesperson as well as return to the Clinton line about the war--the Clinton line being that Clinton himself believed that there were still WMDs in Iraq and Clinton himself believed that Iraq was tied to international terror, as he has said.
     
  20. Martin

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    For the record, folks, I called nobody Judas. Since the post has been edited the clear proof is gone. I used the Judas reference as an example of someone who does not gar far enough in their remorse. I am sorry that some mis-understood my reference and were offended. That was not my intent. I will attempt to be more careful from this point on so that people will not mis-understand my points.

    Now to Drudge. I don't admire Drudge. The only people I admire are Godly people I know personally. I may like MacArthur (etc) but I don't admire him because I don't know him. Drudge's link is on my personal blog because I do check his web-page daily. Not because I admire him or agree with his stories but because sometimes he links to interesting stories. I have several links on my blog that are simular to that.

    I have not, not one time, defended Drudge to anyone. I believe I have made that clear. The Sheehan quotes I have used are NOT, and may I repeat, are NOT from Drudge. Rather they are from a local newspaper of Sheehan (the paper she gave the interview to last year).

    Now lets get back to the important issue at hand: Did Sheehan contradict herself or not?

    Her own statements simply prove she did.

    Thanks.
    Martin.
     

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