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  1. BobRyan

    BobRyan Well-Known Member

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    No wait ! -- I quote Acts 21 and you respond with "sorry brother Bob"?? :smilewinkgrin:

    I did not write Acts 21. I think we can all agree to that.

    This fits with your view of Paul's teaching right?

    24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law.
     
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    Indeed Paul's claim is that his Acts 21 - action is not "salvation by works" nor any of those OT saints that Paul lists in Heb 11.

    Paul affirms the Bible -- the WORD of God - all the while claiming it is not "salvation by works" -- just as does the Baptist Confession of Faith - in its section 19.

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
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  3. Rebel

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    Okay, and I'll say the same thing about Calvinism and PSA. Now what have we accomplished?
     
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    They are painted into that theological corner of limiting God though, as they just refuse to accept that the lord has indeed predestine all of History to be coming to the end, to the final consumation when He has Jesus returning, reigning, and a new heavens and earth...

    They would see God as somehow violate our vaunted real free will if h eknows all things to pass, as that to them presumes God causing all of it directly to come to pass!
     
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    Exce[t taht calvinism does NOT affect Gods very nature, and call into question wether he really is all knowing in the traditional sense and use of the term!
     
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    The SDA teaches that we are saved by keeping the law and Commandments of god, so how can that not be another gospel then?
     
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    Well you have not accomplished anything because what you say is false. However, for the rest of us we have established errant teaching that has no place in the Christian community.
     
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    A tongue-in-cheek description of open theism goes, "Standing firmly for the doctrine of the ignorance of God."

    The Bible clearly portrays the sovereignty of God, and also the free will of man. I believe that understanding how both can exist at the same place and time is beyond the minds of humankind. Deut. 29:29 tells us that God does not reveal to us all mysteries, but that we are to use in serving Him those things which He does reveal.
     
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    Yes, it does affect His very nature, as it makes Him the author of evil.
     
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    The only thing you have established in both of these statements is that you have an opinion. I would not exclude you, but you may exclude me if you wish. God doesn't.
     
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    What gets established in the truth of God's word.
     
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    I also believe in the truth of God's word.
     
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    Unorthodox heresy like Open Theism is not truth found in God's word.
     
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  14. Rebel

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    What is unorthodox and heretical is sometimes in the eye of the beholder.

    Do you think 5-point Calvinism is "unorthodox heresy"?
     
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    Clark H. Pinnock. professor of theology at Regent’s College, Vancouver, likewise assumes the finiteness of God in his historical dealings with man. He posits God operating in a utilitarian mode:



    from arminianism Calvinism


    Clark H. Pinnock asserts that original sin does not exist, but men are sinners because of their environment:
    Pinnock, an avowed Arminian, denies Divine particularism and so denies the Divine decree, the covenant nature of our Lord’s death, and thus necessarily misunderstands the nature of grace, the free offer of the Gospel and Christian assurance
     
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    I agree that Open Theism is heretical. There were several Open Theists on this Forum a couple of years back.

    It seems to me that Open Theism basically puts God at the mercy of His creation, that is assuming that Open Theists believe that God is Creator. If God is not the transcendent Creator then Open Theism is little better than pantheism.
     
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  17. Rebel

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    There is a "third" possibility: panentheism. Eastern Orthodoxy has panentheistic elements. There are Protestants who also hold to this.
     
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    It would be good for once to be able to discuss something objectively without throwing around the word "heretic". Many of our spiritual ancestors were charged with that by the state churches and burned at the stake, beheaded, tortured, drawn and quartered, and drowned.
     
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  19. Rebel

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    Icon, I prefer these views to the view that man has no choice but everything has been predetermined.
     
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    The only problem with that is that we are not offered like a multiple choice test to pick what we prefer. We are to deal with revealed truth in a way that handles all the verses.

    These views directly contradict what scripture does reveal about God

    It would be like a person who does not like what God reveals about judgement day...so they delete and edit those portions of the bible that speak those very truths.
    Then that same person then substitutes their own carnal views in place of revealed truth or only allow ideas that agree with them to be expressed.

    Rebel.....have you met unsaved religious people who offer religious ideas to you but you know that those ideas are fleshly.....and yet the person will fight to express their mistaken ideas even when most people know they are not even close to truth?

    It is like that with this person. The church historically rejects these failed ideas.
     
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