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Class in Modern Society

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by FR7 Baptist, Dec 22, 2011.

  1. marke

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    Eccl. 10:7 "I have seen servants upon horses, and princes walking as servants on the earth." The Lord's people often do not enjoy much financial success in the world, and yet they are the finest, most civilized people on earth, "of whom the world is not worthy" (Heb. 11:38). Money does tend to draw people away from God, and the worldly rich have some of the most corrupt sins imaginable locked in their closets.

    It is true that sin spreads its leaven of corruption and depravity throughout civilization, so that children born into more corrupt societies will be disadvantaged from birth because of the moral depravity around them being commonplace. I strongly oppose sex education in the schools, for example, (which the wicked, mostly democrats, strongly favor, like they do contraceptions, abortions, homosexuality and the rest), but our society is degenerating as a whole toward total moral corruption. Sodom was done for, with homos roaming the streets at night unhindered in their practices of wanton rapes, orgies, and murder.

    I would simply class people into two groups: the saved and the lost. The lost can further be classed as having different levels of income and perhaps different degrees of depravity, but depravity and suffering due to sin will never be corrected by any laws from a congress which itself is committed to anti-God sins of its own. Poverty will never be cured until sin is cured, and Congress will always be part of that problem instead of finding cures, unless there is a great revival and turning back to God by those in that cesspool of sin.
     
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  2. Jason Garrett

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    @Matt Wade: I wasn't referring to "them" as Christians, I was referring to us. There is a difference in my use of a classifying term and the OP's here. The difference? Mine is the only one that matters when considering matters of eternal import.
     
  3. Bro. Curtis

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    Who are you to judge ? Sad, pathetic way to live ?

    We have some absolutely hateful people, here.

    What does the bible say about people who work hard ?
     
  4. OldRegular

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    :thumbs::thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:
     
  5. billwald

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    There are people who, by choice, instruction of life's experience, are of no current value to the human race and will not be except by a miracle from God or being frightened almost to death (maybe the same thing). I have only personally known three, by happenstance all American Indian people.

    Most of you refuse to put a name to this class of people. I call them "trash." We all recognize them by instinct. I am more honest in this specific area than most of you.

    Most civilized people (professional and psychological do-gooders are the exception) ignore and avoid the trash. They are the ones who you don't want your kids and grand kids to play with and the the parents of these kids. Their are no kids that make you feel uneasy when they are around your kids? Liar, liar . . . or maybe you are in the trash class.
     
  6. billwald

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    >I would simply class people into two groups: the saved and the lost.

    I agree! But I define the classes of saved and lost differently. Anyone who is trying to be a decent person, a good neighbor, and tries to love God - it is because the Holy Spirit is working on them and what God starts, God finishes.
     
  7. FR7 Baptist

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    The Bible promotes hard work. I perform my employment duties well, which is why I've always gotten good performance reviews. I work hard, but I'm not going to be one of those people working seventy hours a week with no time for the more important things in life. And, yes, I realize for a certain number of people there isn't much of a choice.

    What I find sad and pathetic are people who have no other goals than to work into their graves.

    My new job starts January 9. It's a much better job than my old one. It pays a lot more, it has normal Monday-Friday 9AM-6PM hours, and it's in a professional environment in a small office. They hired two people out of over two hundred applicants. I got the position by standing out from the other applicants because I have a proven track record of work success. I had good references, a well-written resume, and a reference letter from an ex-boss. First I interviewed with the manager and discussed my past experience and the positive contributions I would bring to the company based on that. After the interview, I sent the manager a well-written thank-you letter. The second interview, with the owner, was the best interview I've ever had. I also sent him a letter after. The next week, I was offered the job and accepted the offer. The owner said he likes my attitude and he thinks I'll do well.

    My point is working hard and doing your job well is to be lauded. But when I'm off work, I have other things to do. I also don't view my job as my highest calling in life.
     
  8. OldRegular

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    :applause:paul3144

    Your modesty is exceeded only by your ??????:rolleyes::rolleyes:
     
  9. Bro. Curtis

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    Paul, you speak out of both sides of your mouth. You said they lead "sad, pathetic" lives.

    You can't back pedal out of that hateful, judgemental statement.

    What is said and pathetic is you consider yourself so educated that you can deem their lives as such.

    A lot like that alajustchristiantide feller.
     
  10. matt wade

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    How would you describe a life that is nothing but work, sleep, and eat? I've been in that life. That's all I was able to do to keep my head above water and pay the bills. It was sad and pathetic. That sort of life is not fun. Do you think it is fun to do nothing but work, eat, and sleep?
     
  11. OldRegular

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    At one time, not too many years ago, there were two classes of people in the world, the "elitist haves" and the "poor pathetic have nots". The haves considered themselves "noble born" regardless of the nature of their birth. All others were considered "base born".

    I see the same attitude, noble vs base, in the OP and some succeeding posts, but of course there are a few groups thrown in between just to lessen the "noble" attitude. We fought a war to rid the country of that culture about 240 years ago. Sadly it is returning, not only in thought but in economic reality.
     
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    If you want to deem your own life "sad and pathetic" go right ahead.

    As soon as you apply that tag to someone else, you are judging them.
     
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    If it is done to provide for one's family I would call it responsible, honorable and noble.
     
  14. billwald

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    Then the people who rebelled against King George in 1776 were denying their own nobility?
     
  15. OldRegular

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    You are not alone! God, speaking through the Apostle Paul, instructed the Saints:

    1 Timothy 5:8, KJV
    But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

    2 Thessalonians 3:10-12, KJV
    10. For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
    11. For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies.
    12. Now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread.
     
  16. FR7 Baptist

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    You do realize that I'm supportive of a strong work ethic, right?
     
  17. billwald

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    >10. For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

    Do the grandchildren who inherit billions in old family money "work?"
     
  18. Mexdeaf

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    The smart ones do.
     
  19. billwald

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    Please define "work." Why is it "smart" for a person with a billion in assets to work?
     
  20. OldRegular

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    And then there are some who swill at the government trough all their life.
     
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