Clearwater Christian College

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  1. LRL71

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    I graduated in 1994 with a B.A. in Pastoral Studies. Are there other grad's out here on the BB who went to CCC?? Just curious...... :D
     
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    Uh, nobody?

    Bump!
     
  3. Dr. Bob

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    Nobody admitting it, anyway!

    Share your experience, evaluation as an alumnus. What was good/bad/ugly? Would you recommend YOUR pastor attend there? etc
     
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    Thanks, Dr. Bob! Good questions..... here goes....

    I would heartily recommend Clearwater for those who desire to enter the full-time ministry. The college is not 'Baptist' per se, but is rather one that believes in the fundamentals and also believes in separation. The rules of student conduct are a bit strict, and may not necessarily reflect the life of believers in the average fundamental Bible believing church, but are constructive enough to keep student life orderly. Clearwater is fully accredited by SACS, and although only a few of each year's graduates are those who graduate with Bible/Pastoral Studies degrees, the accreditation makes it a huge plus. From my point of view while I was a student (fall of 1990 to the spring of 1994), some members of the administration appeared to be two-faced and overly controlling, but the faculty & professors were the true gems at the college. I know that things have changed greatly since I was a student, but I hope that others would also post comments about CCC and their experiences there.
     
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    I am not a graduate or attender of CCC, though I have visited there several years ago (late 1990s). I personally know a number of the faculty members who are excellent teachers. Dr. George Youstra did a great job of building and promoting the school. However, I have not heard much lately from down there. I understand they do have a pre-law and pre-med program which might interest a Baptist going into those professions.
     
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    Dr. Dick Stratton (President of CCC) preached at our church Sunday morning. And a former deacon from our church is now in some position down there in PR/admissions I think.

    I have heard tons of good things from the current students from our church that are there.
     
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    Is it a Baptist school for training Baptist ministers?

    I've never been happy with the idea of a guy who wants to be a Ford mechanic training in the Chevy garage . .
     
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    From their Website

    Clearwater home page
     
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    Clearwater does NOT identify itself as a Baptist school, but rather it is a 'fundamentalist' liberal-arts college. Not many students who graduate from there are in the Biblical studies program. In 1994, when I graduated, there were only two students who graduated with a degree in either Bible or Pastoral Studies; I was the one with a Pastoral Studies degree. There were about seven or eight students who graduated with a Bible education degree; they were the ones who couldn't handle Greek! :D

    A large majority of students who attend the college are IFB (probably about 2/3rds of all students), and likewise the same would apply to the faculty there. When I was at CCC, the Bible department had three Bible Presbyterians and one Reformed Baptist. It now has changed, but I don't know the denominational persuasion of all but one of the Bible department professors.
     
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    The faculty at Clearwater Christian College appear to have established a solid reputation with the fundamental seminaries. I just heard that Clearwater now has over 50 Bible and Pastoral Studies students, and that the majority of the Bible graduates are making their way to these seminaries, and making their way well-prepared. It says something that Dr. Burggraff (Pres. of Calvary Baptist Seminary)has a son enrolled at Clearwater, and that the V.P.'s of both Detroit Baptist Seminary and Central Baptist Seminary have or have had kids recently enrolled. The men from these seminaries are frequent speakers at Clearwater, and Dr. Dave Doran had been flying down each week to teach a class. They are known for their strong liberal arts programs, but the Bible department doesn't seem to have been relegated a back seat.

    I am impressed to hear that Clearwater has developed a solid relationship with Maranatha Baptist Bible College, Northland Baptist Bible College, and Faith Baptist of Akeny; and after initiating a China missions trip with their own college family last summer, are now teaming with these four schools for another trip this year.
     
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    ^^^^

    Thanks for the update. It's been about 11 years since I graduated from Clearwater, and its relationship with Calvary Baptist Theological Seminary was in its infancy. I had taken a couple of trips to the seminary in two separate years before I made the decision to go to CBTS in the fall of 1994. The Bible program was small while I was there in the early 90's; we had only four Bible department professors, and one left before my senior year. It's good to know that it has grown much larger!
     
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    Good to hear. So it is like a small BJU or PCC in that it is liberal arts, non-denom and non-kjvonly. Oh, never mind about PCC.

    Why would a student opt to go there and not BJU?
     
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    Clearwater can be compared to BJU (you're right, let's leave out PCC)in that it is a liberal arts, non-denominational school. There are, however, several clear differences that have enabled it to secure its own solid niche, and here are a few things that I think enter the minds of prospective students and parents as they make a choice between a place such as Clearwater or BJU.

    1. Regional accreditation - A regionally accredited degree (not TRACS) is huge, and whether we agree with them or not, people are becoming more unwilling to put their money toward any other kind of degree, even if it is more expensive. (Clearwater is more expensive than BJU.)

    2. Intercollegiate sports - BJU only offers an intramural sports program, and it is lending a frustratingly low level of competition for good athletes. Clearwater has a strong intercollegiate program that is going to be a drawing card for sports-minded students. If you visited Clearwater, you would observe a male population that is overall stronger and more athletic-looking. BJU maintains a strong attraction with those who are more inclined toward the arts.

    3. Atmosphere - Some might prefer the more casual, family-like atmosphere that Clearwater offers. It has fewer rules and offers more freedom than BJU. For example, the guys wear colored shirts to class, but not ties...the girls wear skirts to class, but pants everywhere else except church. If you walk into their dining facility, you'll see the faculty eating at the same tables with the students. If you walk into the gym, you'll see the administrators playing ball with the kids. This is all very different from BJU.

    4. Size - Unlike BJU, Clearwater is too small to have its own "culture" per se, and this is a difference I have noticed in all the smaller fundamental colleges. They aren't large enough to function autonomously. They are less likely to suffer from inbreeding, and therefore their perspectives are forced to expand beyond their own nose. An example of this "cultural" point would be how the top leadership position changes were recently announced in chapel at BJU. The news was as shocking to the other administrators as it was to the faculty and the students, who all learned of the changes at the same time. This is the pervasive management style at BJU, a style that is only accepted without resistance because it exists at a place that has formulated its own culture. There are going to be people who are concerned that gaining an education within an autonomous culture like BJU makes it too difficult to function outside of that culture.

    5. Focus - Clearwater isn't focused on any personality, family name, or reputation that has been secured in the fundmaentlist community. Not everyone is going to be impressed with a family legacy, or the "we are unmatched" rhetoric that BJU chooses to employ.


    I hope this helps answer your question, Dr. Bob. I like both schools, so my intention is not to promote one over the other, but to just lend some feeble perspective!
     
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    That was well expressed. As a product of Maranatha BBC (about which all the above could be said) I am in agreement with you. Thanks.
     
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    You are welcome, and I would have nothing but good things things to say about MBBC, too.

    In regard to my former post...that would be "collared" shirts, not "colored!" :rolleyes:
     
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    Thanks - thought CCC was going liberal and allowed COLORED shirts instead of Baptist-approved lily white shirts!

    But what can I say? I wear bow ties . .
     
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    ForHisGlory15 had some really good observations about CCC. These same things also applied in the early 1990's when I was a student there. The only thing I thought was missing was that the Bible program at CCC leaned much more toward the Calvininstic side of soteriology. I am not sure if that is still the case now, but it was then. We did have a couple of KJV-only troublemakers (students), but they did not last long and usually did not return once they (or, their parents or church pastors) found out that CCC used MV's and used the modern eclectic Greek texts in elementary Greek. If anyone wanted to go to a 'fundamentalist' Christian college that wasn't denominationally affiliated and was also at the cutting edge of the best of educational standards, then CCC is definitely the college to go to. It's very expensive, and as far as I know, it's the most expensive fundamentalist Christian college (it was while I was there-- about $11,000 per year, and that was in the early 1990's!).

    Due to having SACS accreditation (Southern Association of Colleges & Schools), the quality of education is probably the best of all the 'fundamentalist' colleges out there. You knew that you were going to get an education there, and that the diploma was worth far more than the ink it was printed on.

    Thanks everyone for their input. Keep up the comments.

    Still, anyone here a CCC graduate?????
     
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    The cost was intimidating to many of my young people when I took a group back in 2001. But what threw most of them for a loop was seeing that couples were allowed to hold hands! After visiting PCC and BJU on the same trip, it was quite a shock to the system! [​IMG]

    Are the Delnays still teaching at Clearwater? My wife worked with Mrs. Delnay at Faith our first year there (and the Delnay's last, unfortunately for Faith).
     
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    Greg,

    Yep, couples can hold hands. That's a good rule! Too bad I never got the chance to take advantage of holding a young lady's hand while I was at CCC!

    I'm not familiar with Mr. Delnay; he was not a professor there when I was a student at CCC. I believe he came to the college the year after I graduated.
     
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    McCune's recently published book PROMISE UNFULFILLED has a review on the back from Dr. Robert Delnay, "Bible Professor and former Department Chairman at Clearwater Christian College."
     

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