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Discussion in '2006 Archive' started by Preacher Boy88, Feb 8, 2006.

  1. Preacher Boy88

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    Several times on this forum I have disagreed with sevral other members but to me that doesn't matter right now. I am a reporter for my school newspaper and I've been assigned the article of presenting the opposing side of shirts that have sexual innuedos? Any opinions?
     
  2. rbell

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    what do you mean, opposing side? Are you being asked to defend them, or criticize them?
     
  3. Preacher Boy88

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    Criticize, show opposition for them. Thanks for clearing that up I should have stated that.
     
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    Is this a secular newspaper?

    Biblically of course there are many passages which deal with being modest, thinking of pure things, not dragging out your private things into the public arena.

    But if we are looking at only secular reasonings, than a good reason to be opposed would be it adds to the whole culture of thinking about this stuff earlier and earlier in kid's lives. We have enough problems with kids having babies already. We need to reintroduce a stigma into our society about what ought to be private between a husband and wife.
     
  5. Preacher Boy88

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    I attend a public school so it is a secular newspaper. However I've been given the nickname of Mr. Conservative and the Voice of Morals reporter. In other articles that I've written I've used Bible so I can use Bible.
     
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    oh good, so you can use Biblical reasoning, too. Id offer thoughts on what the Bible says about our thought life....and perhaps look at the impact on society of what a pure thought life can produce, versus what we have now.
     
  7. Scarlett O.

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    Preacher Boy,

    Do some reading of Tinker vs. Des Moines (1969). Just do a Google search.

    The Supreme Court upheld that school districts have the right to impose limitations on student "freedom of speech" if school discipline were threatened.

    Granted, this case was about some students in 1965 wearing black armbands to school to oppose the Vietnam War....

    ...but courts have consistently and ever since then, generally sided with the school districts when it comes to policy on attire.

    Even the ACLU of Northern California believes that schools do not have the right to impose sanctions on student clothing unless said clothing is libelous, obscene, or disruptive.. I just read that that 5 minutes ago.

    One could argue that these T-shirts with sexual messages or even innuendos could be distraction to the normal school routine because they are obscene.

    Teachers and principals are also referred to by law as people who are in loco parentis. That means that while being in authority over the child while they are away from home, the faculty and staff make the same decisions for the students as parents might make.

    And the assumption is, and I know that's NOT a good word for an argument, but the assumption is that good parents would not want their children wearing sexually suggestive T-shirts, so the school has the authority to ban them in the classroom, also.

    The best argument that you are going to make outside of the realm of morality is that they are offensive and disruptive.

    It's a very hard argument to win outside the realm of morality. Someone could claim that wearing "red" shirts are offensive because that is a gang-related color.

    So be careful in your argument and include statements supporting modesty from the bible.

    Peace-
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  8. Johnv

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    It is within the school's power to enact and enforce a dress code. One of the things school teaches us is proper social attire habits. Once kids are in the work force, they will be required to abide by the dress code of the organization they work for. Most companies have policies against attire with sexually suggestive slogans on them, in line with their policies against sexual harrassment.

    Likewise, in the school, it is right and proper for a school to ban attire with sexually suggestive slogans on them, as they are likely to be sexually harrassing.

    My daughter's college has a ban on such attire. Her high school did as well. She went to a public high school, and attends a state university.
     
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    My son's school has even banned anything with a monkey on it because of a crude expression that contains the word "monkey".
     
  10. paidagogos

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    Never back away from giving a Biblical answer even in a secular environment. However, your premises probably will not be accepted and unbelievers will not deem your reasoning valid. Hence, I recommend that you decide exactly what you are trying to do. This will determine your approach. If you are trying to present a Gospel witness, then you must by all means declare thus saith the Lord and reason from the Scriptures. On the other hand, if you are arguing simply for morality and decency, then you must take a secular premise and argue from it.

    Here are some ideas:
    1. If clothing with sexual innuendoes is allowed, then sexuality is aroused and teens are more likely to engage in risky sexual behavior. Continual public display of sexual material implies a public acceptance that removes societal morès. Breakdown in verbal inhibitions causes a breakdown in behavioral inhibitions resulting in an increased incidents of:
    * STD’s (sexually transmitted diseases) & AIDS
    * Pregnancy
    2. Clothing influences behavior. Down dressing and wearing clothing with sexual overtones causes more acting out behavior and misbehavior. It tends toward disruption of the educational process that is built on structure and order. This is why schools with uniforms report better behavior and fewer discipline problems as well as improved grades.
    3. Public sexual innuendo is blatantly offensive to some people, especially Christians. No one has the right to shove his or her views or lifestyles in another’s face. One may privately hold his own views and practice his lifestyle privately but he cannot publicly flaunt what is repulsive and offensive to the larger community. The Supreme Court has ruled that a community may curtail pornography that it finds offensive to its moral values. Sexual slogans on clothing in school would be offensive to the morals of the larger school community.

    I’m sure that you can think of other ideas in this same vein.
     
  11. rbell

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    good post by paid...

    Also, sexually suggestive mottos, etc. on clothing "objectify" others...in other words, a girl with a provocative message on her shirt is more likely to be viewed as an object of lust, sexual attraction, etc. If I'm debating a secularist, I would stress how this objectification causes others to be valued less than before.

    This tenet has been the one that has caused feminist groups and Christian groups to agree about the dangers of pornography. And, it's not an unbiblical argument.

    God Bless...congrats on being known for having standards. Speak the truth, my friend, and do it in love...
     
  12. Brother Ian

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    I would not be ashamed of the nicknames you've been given.
     
  13. Scott J

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    You might want to approach it from a results perspective as well. Callous or careless attitudes about sex have had a dramatic and detrimental social impact since the sexual revolution began in the 1960's.

    The CDC has surveys you can access on teen sexuality, STD's, illegitimacy, and other related factors. You can probably find surveys that link or at least parallel decaying sexual morals to the worsening of virtually every social problem we face from murder to poor student performance.

    God teaches us the right attitude to have concerning sex in the scriptures... perversions of that attitude have consequences just as certain as stepping out in front of a speeding bus.
     
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    THANKS TO EVERYONE FOR YOUR POSTS! I WILL BE USING SEVERAL OF THE COMMENTS POSTED HERE!
    BY THE WAY, DON'T WORRY BROTHER IAN, I'M NOT ASHAMED!
     

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