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Colin Powell Endorses Barack Obama

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by JustChristian, Oct 19, 2008.

  1. LeBuick

    LeBuick New Member

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    I'm with you Brother, I don't think this one is over. Someone could attack the country tomorrow or make a threat and homeland security will put McCain in front. Anything can happen in two weeks. That's why all the candidates want us to vote early.
     
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    If that would sway that many votes then we are a very shallow people.
     
  3. sag38

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    No, it would wake people up to the fact that its "Not the economy stupid." People, right now, believe that the "messiah" will help out their pocket book. That's their bottom line. They are not considering that Obama is weak on national defense, low down on the moral scale, and an overall bleeding heart libeal. They are simply voting thier pocket book which, in the long run, is about as shallow as it gets.
     
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    Sarah Palin IS NOT QUALIFIED according to the establishment........BECAUSE she is not a member of the CFR, TLC, the Bilderbergers, the Bag of Bones, the Lodges or Knights of Columbus nor other fraternal secret organization, the banking establishment, the powers of darkness, the Bohemian Grove, etc., etc., etc..

    Sarah Palin is at least AS qualified as Obama. Where does it say that slightly more than 143 days in office qualifies a candidate for the Presidency? People say it qualifies Obama...... Well, Palin is a fast study and has had more days in office than that!
     
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    I have seen many conservatives make this claim, but not one has offered substancial evidence this is true.

    In fact, Peggy Noonan, the hightly respected conservative writer at the Wall Street Journal has written the best analysis of Palin that I have read, and she disagrees. Here is a quote from her editorial:

    Certainly Noonan is not liberal, after all she took a leave of absence from the WSJ to campaign for G. Bush. And the WSJ is not knows as liberal, but conservative.
     
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  6. Pastor Larry

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    No, Powell is more liberal than McCain, at least on the known issues. But that wasn't what I said. I didn't even mention McCain.
    Because we can see the facts.
    I am not sure what "our values" are, but in my values, pastors pastor churches not try to run governments. If Baldwin wants to run the government, he should quit trying to pastor a church at the same time. Perhaps the reason he doesn't is because he knows he can't get elected and needs his church as a fall back. But I bet if he were elected he would resign that church overnight, and those are not my values.
     
  7. saturneptune

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    There is no discussing issues with a GOP apologist. If one cannot understand the difference between conservative and Bush/McCain Republican, then someone needs to retake Gov101.

    The values of the Constitution Party might not be your values, but what are your values? McCain's liberal expanse of government into our lives agenda, or maybe his closet continuation of the present abortion policy? Or his vague ideas of immigration? Or maybe his not only cramming a 700 billion bailout bill down the throats of the American people, then adding 150 billion in pork to buy votes for its first defeat? That is after his quote speech after speech, "See my shiney new pen. It is a veto pen. I will veto any bill with earmarks and pork and make them famous." Are these your values?

    Have you ever read the Constitution?
     
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    Translation:

    Obama is black.
     
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    Yep........
     
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    So it looks like all Bush would have to do is endorse the zero & he too, could win the doe-eyed admiration of the left, as well.

    I thought I'd see libbies heads exploding everywhere with this, I mean if ANYBODY could be even remotely blamed for lying us into a war, it's Powell.

    It may be about race, but I think a cabinet post is the real motivation. I had high hopes when Bush finally jettisoned him, but those too, were quickly dashed.
     
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    I have no idea since I am not a GOP apologist and generally don't talk to them. But if you say so ...
    I wasn't aware that was the discussion. I first commented on Powell being liberal, and you brought McCain into it. Now you are bring conservative and Bush/McCain Republican (whatever that means) into it. But I said nothing about either. My remarks were directed at Powell. I think McCain is an absolutely horrible choice for president. His only redeeming quality is that he is running against someone who is worse. I have no affection for the GOP at all.
    I didn't say anything about the Constitution Party. My remarks were directed at a pastor who appears anxious to abandon preaching the gospel for the sake of running a kingdom. Those are not my values. Please don't keep changing the subject.
    No, I don't support any of those things. Trust me, I like McCain less than you do. Out of all the Republican candidate, he was by far the worse. Not even close. So don't ever accuse me of a being a McCain defender or apologist, or a GOP defender or apologist. I don't care about either one.
    Yes, but I am not sure you have. But I would encourage you to begin by reading my posts. That way you won't accuse me of saying stuff I never said.
     
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    This is quite amazing. First of all, you have no evidence that Powell is more liberal than McCain. Opinions are not facts. Second of all, you have typed line after line of why you do not like McCain or Baldwin, so who does that leave?

    As for abandoning preaching the Gospel to run a country, maybe that is God's plan for that particular man. Since we both know he is not going to win, it is a mute point. Maybe your call is to preach the Gospel for life, but that does not make that everyone's. Neither does it give you divine insight.

    Maybe where you are the difference between left and right is defined as degrees of liberalism, but here, it is liberal and conservative.
     
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    What I know of Powell leads me to believe he is more liberal than McCain. If you are not persuaded, that's fine. That doesn't bother me. I don't like either one of them.
    I am not sure who is on the ballot in Michigan; I am not sure that I wouldn't vote for McCain in some cases; I would likely vote for some third party since Michigan will probably not be close.
    IMO, if a man wants to pastor a church, he should do that (if he meets the biblical qualifications). If he wants to run the country he should do that. He should use the church as a backup to losing an election, IMO. Again, if you differ that's fine. I am not bothered by people who see things differently than I do.
    Not sure what this means. There are degrees between liberal and conservative. These are not clearly defined categories. I think the world has a great deal more nuance than some people simplistically want to allow for.
     
  14. saturneptune

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    What you are calling simplistic is really a defining line between a black area and a white area, no shades of gray. Try it sometime. Confusion does not make you more intelligent.

    You totally missed the point about God's call on pastors. Since I do not have access to God's thinking at any given moment, there is no way I could possibly know what He has in mind for Chuck Baldwin. There is no rule in the Bible that says you are called for life if God's plan differs. There are some, maybe most, that are called for life.

    One thing that does amaze me is the difference in the support of the candidates in the different states. The economy here is not good, yet McCain is polling near 60%. Where you are, I assume the economy is bad because of the auto industry, but the numbers are probably just the opposite.
     
  15. LeBuick

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    Perhaps but she didn't exactly hit the ground running nor has she proven her readiness to even stark conservatives. She clearly has a conservative following and a future in that party. To her following she can do no wrong.

    Others not in her following saw weaknesses when she stuck to elaborate tales like the bridge she didn't stop and her states distance from Russia. She also gave that exact same speech for go knows how long while situations were changing in the country. When a candidate has to stick to disproved statements of achievements it generally shows they don't have depth in the tool box to fall back on. No one questions she's been a Mayor and Governor but the question being looked at is, is she ready? There are many Mayors/Governors to include Rudy who isn't getting my vote either.

    I also had concerns with how much she had to memorize just to be put in front of the people. She is still not freely taking questions from the press. It makes one wonder when you don't put a candidate freely in front of mic's and camera's since that is how they get their message out. 1 Minute in front of a camera reaching people in all political parties is worth more than an 100 hours in front of a crown consisting only of your own party.

    Also, when a chief lawmaker can't name supreme court decisions or can't spout off a periodical makes many of us feel the few facts she does appear to know are just memorized talking points.

    Two things I see in Obama are his Harvard law degree and the fact he has the exact same political resume as Abraham Lincoln. He also seems more ready to take on the nations problems since he is not afraid of the camera or even questions from citizens like Joe the plumber. I'm not saying he always gives the best answer but it shows a lot that he put's himself in that situation in an attempt to spread his message beyond the ears of his following.

    That's my $00.02
     
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    So do all the Leftist leaders of Central and South America.
     
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    Unfortunately, There Are More Shallow Folks...

    There are more shallow folks than any one of us want to acknowledge. And should something happen, there would be a major swing to the other party, especially if it was a security threat....:type:
     
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    I used to but Not so much any more.
     
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    Powell's endorsement is not a surprise nor does he hold significant persuasion. It draws more attention to his motive behind the endorsement. It clearly demonstrates his lack of judgment regardless of his motive. Considering the facts known about Obama I have lost all respect for Colin Powell due to his endorsement of Obama. The main spotlight of his decision will not be turning voters towards Obama but turning most Americans away from any regard for Colin Powell and his leadership ability.
     
  20. LeBuick

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    Do you really approve this ad?

    This is no different from the guy who said he supports Obama because of race.

    Colin is entitled to chose a candidate just like every one else. He can even cross party lines. Why does he need a motive when he's a retired 4 star general and secretary of state? He has nothing to gain???

    And I can't see anyone doubting Powell's leadership abilities just as no one doubts John McCain status as war hero. Those are things that can't be taken away if you're sincere in giving them the title.
     
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