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Collecting Bible Versions

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by DeclareHim, Jul 14, 2004.

  1. michelle

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    Then how can you sit there & categorically state that any ms not used to make the KJV is wrong?
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    my answer:
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    again, we do not need this knowledge, but do understand the basic principles of it, to which is all we need to know concerning this issue (refer to the scriptures given above as to why).


    and also:

    John 7

    15. And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?
    16. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
    17. If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
    18. He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

    John 16

    1. These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended.
    2. They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.
    3. And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.
    4. But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, ye may remember that I told you of them. And these things I said not unto you at the beginning, because I was with you.
    5. But now I go my way to him that sent me; and none of you asketh me, Whither goest thou?
    6. But because I have said these things unto you, sorrow hath filled your heart.
    7. Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
    8. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
    9. Of sin, because they believe not on me;
    10. Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
    11. Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
    12. I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
    13. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
    14. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
    15. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

    Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
    michelle
     
  2. michelle

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    Then you should abandon KJVO, as that myth nor any other one-version myth certainly isn't from JESUS' mind. Luke 4:16-21 proves that.
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    I am not going to discuss this again with you. I have also already told you I do not LIMIT God to only one version (and this scripture reference you give to prove your "theory" I disagree it proves it) and this is AVOIDING the real issue of WHY we reject the mv's of TODAY.


    Titus 3:9
    But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

    love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
    michelle
     
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  4. DeclareHim

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    Michelle you have to believe the KJV is God's only Word by FAITH. And evidence points out that you are wrong. If you want to follow blindly then go ahead. But God did not inspire the KJV of the Bible. He did the mss but not any Bible in English is Inspired.
     
  5. Askjo

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    I agree with Michelle. I by faith believe the KJV is the Word of God.
     
  6. Scott J

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    Faith:
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    Faith in contradiction to fact is nothing more than superstition and vain babblings.
     
  7. Ed Edwards

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    I agree with Michelle. I by faith believe the KJV is the Word of God. </font>[/QUOTE]Which of the three
    that i have?

    KJV1611 Edition
    KJV1769 Edition
    KJV1873 Edition

    I particulary like the KJV1873 I have
    cause it has the original translator margin
    notes.

    I believe by faith that my HCSB = Holman
    Christian Standard Bible contains the
    written word of God about the living
    word of God.

    [​IMG] Praise Iesus, the Sonne of God! [​IMG]
     
  8. Craigbythesea

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    KJOism is NOT based on faith; it is base on presumption—and presumption is not faith; it is sin! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
     
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    To me, it is sinful to attach the modern-day label "kjoism" to those of us who trust our bible as being the true word of God...It was made during a time when the language was in its purest form and I trust it to be exactly what the Lord would have me to know.

    Just as the Webster's 1828 dictionary differs from today's dictionary, so do the other books differ from my bible. I've never had a problem understanding it; if there is a question on something, I've found if I keep on reading far enough, it will right itself on up. It defines its own self all the way thru'. God bless.
     
  10. Ed Edwards

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    GrannyGumbo: " ... the true word of God...It was made during
    a time when the language was in its purest form and I trust
    it to be exactly what the Lord would have me to know."

    This is the same spirit that kept Europe under control
    of the RCC (Roman Catholic Church) for 1,000 years
    -- spiritually dead people reading a dead Bible
    in a dead language (Latin). No, we don't need those
    "good ol' days" no more.

    Get yo' bowels straight!


    [​IMG] Praise Iesus, the Christ [​IMG]
     
  11. michelle

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    This is the same spirit that kept Europe under control
    of the RCC (Roman Catholic Church) for 1,000 years
    -- spiritually dead people reading a dead Bible
    in a dead language (Latin). No, we don't need those
    "good ol' days" no more.

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    And you do err, Ed. The RCC have ALWAYS kept their people in the dark, because they were never ALLOWED TO READ THE SCRIPTURES. Only certain men and priests were allowed, but the general population were not. This of course has changed with modern times, but do not be decieved into thinking that the RCC people had access to it. They sometimes even today, are discouraged from reading the Holy Bible. They are to only believe what their priests preach to them. Don't believe me? Research it. There is a book by Charles Chinoquay, who was a Roman Catholic Priest, friend of Abraham Lincoln, who testifies these things in his book. By the grace of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, he was brought out from that wretched dark church into the light of Jesus Christ. He had access to God's words on occassions, and this is what brought him to salvation eventually.

    love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
    michelle
     
  12. Ed Edwards

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    Amen Sister Michelle -- Preach it [​IMG]

    And the justification for what they do is:
    " ... the true word of God...It was made
    during a time when the language was in
    its purest form and I trust it to be
    exactly what the Lord would have me to know"

    And this rational and Michelle's results
    were the reason, actions, and doctrines
    of the existing churches 325AD to 1500AD,
    over 1200 years. No, we aught not to go
    by what the doctrines, actions, and rational
    of 1200 years of the dark ages,
    when the term "Christian" became a curse
    word among all humanity in contact with it.

    But we should use 17th century English
    in the 21st Century:
    [​IMG] Praise Iesus, the Christ [​IMG]
     
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    Michelle said:

    "They sometimes even today, are discouraged from reading the Holy Bible."

    Care to offer some proff of this?
     
  14. Askjo

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    The Forbidden Book quoted:
    Were the RCC anti-Christ in the past before 1611 the KJV appeared? Are the RCC anti-Christ today?
    "The Forbidden Book" said, "It forbad the reading of Scripture books in English or in any language other than Latin." Therefore this book, "The Forbidden Book" agrees with you.
     
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    double post?
     
  17. michelle

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    And the justification for what they do is:
    " ... the true word of God...It was made
    during a time when the language was in
    its purest form and I trust it to be
    exactly what the Lord would have me to know"

    And this rational and Michelle's results
    were the reason, actions, and doctrines
    of the existing churches 325AD to 1500AD,
    over 1200 years. No, we aught not to go
    by what the doctrines, actions, and rational
    of 1200 years of the dark ages,
    when the term "Christian" became a curse
    word among all humanity in contact with it.

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    You are right Ed, we should not go by the doctrines, actions, and rational of men, but by the doctrines, actions, and rational of the words of the Lord and guidance of the Holy Spirit - John 16. They are by which we are to judge all matters and live accordingly. Please tell me Ed, What were the words of the Lord for English speaking believers before the advent of the mv's that have even endured to this day? Would it not then, be for every faithful christian to jugde those mv's in that same language, by the standards they already knew and were already given? - to which was done in the late 1800's and the early 1900's and these mv's did not pursue. Faithful people then knew the truth, and rejected the lies. If it doesn't stand up to those standards, that the Lord has already given us, we ought to reject it. Instead, many people gradually chose themselves to go by the doctrines, actions, and rational of MEN of supposed scholarship, and trust what "they" have said what they "think" claiming it to be truth (knowing full well the common man has NO knowledge of these languages to check them), when it is their own opinion, even though it is OPPOSITE to the truth as the Lord's words have made manifest to those who have eyes to see, and ears to hear. Why did this happen? Maybe because many stopped obeying the Lords command in vs.2.


    2 Timothy 4

    1. I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
    2. Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
    3. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
    4. And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

    Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
    michelle
     
  18. michelle

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    "They sometimes even today, are discouraged from reading the Holy Bible."

    Care to offer some proff of this?
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    Go to any message boards where there are Roman Catholics, observe, and you will see.

    love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
    michelle
     
  19. rsr

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    Not good enough. Provide the proof, since you made the statement.
     
  20. Ed Edwards

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    Michelle (emphasis by ed): "Would it not then,
    be for every faithful christian
    to jugde those mv's in that same language,
    by the standards they already knew and were already
    given? - to which was done in the late 1800's
    and the early 1900's and these mv's did not pursue."

    Those MVs are in a DIFFERENT LANGUAGE
    which just happens to be called "English".

    Consider this:

    2 Corinthians 6:12 (KJV1769):
    Ye are not straitened in us,
    but ye are straitened in your own bowels.

    2 Corinthians 6:12 (HCSB2003)
    You are not limited by us,
    but you are limited by your own affections.

    Tell me those two are in the same language.
    They are in two different languages both
    called English.

    But I love to praise Jesus in 17th Century talk:
    [​IMG] Praise Iesus, the Christ [​IMG]
     
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