Coming Islamic Anti-Christ?

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  1. JeffM

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    About a year ago, I picked up a book written by Perry Stone called UNLEASHING THE BEAST.

    I was compelled to buy it because I just happen to catch Perry Stone on our local religious channel and he was presenting some compelling evidence from the Bible (Book of Daniel and Revelation) that the coming Anti-Christ and his government will be Islamic not Roman/European.

    He claims (using Scripture) that the Anti-Christ is going to be the Islamic Mahdi (Messiah).

    He says that the Muslims believe that this Mahdi will be God (Anti-Christ), who will return with Jesus (False Prophet) and rid the world of infidels and establish a true Islamic Kingdom as Mohammad foretold in the Koran. Saddam has long thought as himself as the Mahdi and most radical Muslims believe Osama bin Laden is the Mahdi. The Muslims claim that they worship the same God as the Jews and Christians, so it is possible that this Islamic Mahdi will trick the Jews with this lie. He will then allow the Jews to re-enstate their ritual of burnt offerings and they will live side-by-side Muslims for 42 months.

    Stone claims that there will be a Islamic religious leader who will come forward and make peace with Israel. This will start a chain reaction of peace that will spread throughout the world. Al Qaida is becoming firmly entrenched in every continent so it's safe to say that this peace agreement will be nothing short of miraculous. Imagine today, if some Islamic leader made peace with Israel and AL Qaida was dismantled and terrorism ceased. Even we would be amazed as Christians.

    Today, the news of beheading of that poor man sent chills throughout my body. Revelation tells us that the Anti-Christ will behead those that reject him. Islam teaches that if you reject Islam, you are to be killed by decapitation. It's always been hard for me to believe that a European Anti-Christ from Rome or other European country would re-enstate the practice of beheading, but with Islam, it is common practice and it is already happening to Christians and other westerners as we speak.

    In Revelation, beginning in Chapter 6, we read a description of the four horses, White, Red, Black and "pale", which in the original greek meant "Chloros" or Green. The colors of Islam are White, Black, Red and Green. Iraqs flag contain these four colors.

    If end-times prophesies intrigue you, then I suggest reading this book UNLEASHING THE BEAST. I am not saying Perry Stone is correct, I am just saying he makes very educated statements based on Scripture and I admit, things have become very clear in why things are happening as they are in the world. This explosion of radical Islam fits right Revelation.

    I personally no longer think that the Anti-Christ is going to be from Rome as Lindsey, LaHey, Hagee, and Van Impe have claimed.

    This final world kingdom as foretold by Daniel (feet of the statue)will be a more evil than anything the world has seen until now and only Islam fits that bill, especially with lust for killing and beheading of non-believers of Islam.

    Thoughts?
     
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    Wait a few years and the next "flavor of the month" anti-christ will be coming from Africa.

    How many millions of dollars did those boys make tying the anti-christ to the revived Roman Empire? Now because the headlines change, so does their eschatology.
     
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    Certainly a plausable explanation. A while ago I had thought that to be recognized by Israel, antichrist would have to be a Jew. But the twisted idea that the three religions worship the same god (not true, of course) makes the idea of an islamic antichrist possible.

    BTW, LaHaye and Jenkins' antichrist is originally from Romania, uses the UN as a confederacy of nations, and sets up his kingdom in Babylon. As to the idea of a revived Roman Empire, how about OPEC instead ;) ?
     
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    Jeff, an excellent post. I don't watch Perry Stone very often, but I have a number of his tapes from several years ago. I think he is excellent in the details he presents on topics, everything from the Feasts of Israel to Prophecy.

    I was thinking the very same thing this morning.

    I remember in the past hearing how guillotines will be used, or maybe even lasers. No, now I can see where it's possible the religion of the sword will do it just that way, just as they have always done and are doing today to Christians all over the world.

    The 10 kings who in one hour receive power to make war with the Lamb (Rev. 17) could that be kings who come to power through the rule of the jihad sword, governments of Europe overthrown? (Revived Roman Empire) (Book of Daniel image)

    Might it be possible the headquarters of the UN could move to literal Baghdad, to keep law and order? It would be fitting. Especially since Islamic countries, the biggest violators of human rights, have sat on the UN Human Rights Commission over the past few years. (Like Sudan)

    Is it possible Rome and Islam could unite? Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world today and the Vatican has lost some credibility because of the scandals. But again, perhaps the Vatican might be taken over by coercion.

    Thanks for starting this thread. Hopefully it will stay on topic and not turn into another pre-trib, post-trib argument.

    Think I'll go to his website & check out about ordering that book. [​IMG]

    http://www.perrystone.org
     
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    Stone says that this ten nation confederacy could very well be 10 Arab/Islamic countries surrounding Israel. He also says that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world right now and within a short period of time, could have an worldwide Islamic army numbering 200 million soldiers. I used to think it was China. A lot of eastern European countries are muslim. If an Islamic anti-christ could unite these countries with the Arabs, 200 million is a very realistic number.

    I am beginning to think that these Islamic radicals are going to bring the western world to its knees and cause absolute chaos. I can see it happening already. I am beginning to think the U.N. will not be around in the final days.

    Stone also brings up the fact that these Arab countries are on a gold system, whereas most european countries, including the US are no longer on a gold standard. This is very true in the US. We operate on a debt-based system with FIAT currency. Gold no longer backs our currency, because if it did, we could still buy and sell and redeem in gold and silver.

    These Arab countries, especially Saudi Arabia have purchased up much of the worlds gold and will start controlling the oil fields with gold. If Saudi Arabia demanded gold as payment for oil today, America could not pay. I wish I could remember the verse in the Bible where is says the Anti-Christ will institute a gold standard and control the world. Osama bin Laden has announced he will pay his jihadist in gold.

    The feet of the statue in Daniel is made of clay and iron. Stone makes a compelling argument that this could very well represent a Islamic/Jewish union, that will soon crumble. This makes complete sense to me now.
     
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    Take a look at Psalm 83:1-8:

    Notice that there are ten nations and look at what they are doing - verses 1-5. They are all Middle Eastern countries/people and would seem fit the descripton of the ten horns (Rev.). I realize my hermeneutics might be off here, but if we considered this Pslam prophetic, then it just might fit.
     
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    I never thought that in the first place, for the simple fact that these folks said it. Throughout history, folks have been "revealing" the antichrist as being Jewish, or being the Roman Catholic, and now, being Muslim (in a few years, it will probably be the democrats) People over time have generally pointed the antichrist finger at the folks-we-love-to-hate du jour. History records that engaging in this sort of speculation (as though it were Gospel) produces little fruit, except to enable Christians to act in a very anti-christlike behavior. Except, of course, anti-christ fingerpointing tends to sell a lot of books. I'm amused by folks who will refuse to buy any book with the words "purpose" and "driven" in the title, but scarf any book that has "antichrist" and "revealed" in the title.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again. We should be too busy with the first coming to ponder over the second. Doing so just makes a few booksellers rich, and to the best of my knowlege, none of us are authors.
     
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    Johnv,

    Is it not true that we as Christians have been in a constant state of Revelation since Christ died on the cross?

    I will agree that it is easy to point fingers at the enemy of the day, but as each day passes, God reveals a little more to us. What Lindsey and others thought 30 years ago was revelent to that day, given current events. They weren't entirely wrong.

    Perry Stone could very well be wrong, and 10 years from now, things could be very different, but we won't know until that time comes. Until then, each day leads us closer to the return of the Lord, and each day our Lord reveals a little more to us so that we may save more lost souls through his Revelation.

    We live in very frightening times, that we couldn't imagine just 20 years ago. It's only going to get worse and if God uses end-times prophesies to bring someone to Christ, then so be it. I know I've been intrigued by this since I was a teenager over 30 years ago and it is what brought me to the Lord.

    Different strokes for different folks.
     
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    I think I've said that before. We're only one day closer to the last days than we were yesterday. We have no idea how far into the last days we are: 90%, 50%, or only 5%. Not even Jesus knows, so why do we think we would?

    Actually, many of them were quite wrong. In fact, every now and then, statistical groups do analyses of "predictions" made by people. The result has always been that accuracy rates are slightly higher than chance. That goes for not just astrology folks like Jeane Dixon and Sylvia Browne, but for folks like Hal Lindsay et al as well. In fact, if you pick up a copy of "The Late Great Planet Earth", you'll see it's a great work of fiction. He was wrong about pretty much everything.

    The problem is that, as time goes by, people "revise" their earlier incorrect statements to fit the time, and as time goes by, they eventually make new "revisions". That's simple charlaitanism, imo, often praying on the pocket books of well-meaning Christians who are just looking for a few answers.

    You could pick any point in history and make that statement.

    Interesting. In the "Passion of the Christ" threads, many said that God wouldn't use a lie to bring people to Christ. Does that not also apply to end time prophecies?
    Then you'll be the first to acknowlege that the prophecies made by folks some 30 years ago have mostly been wrong. Oh sure, a handful might have come to fruition in one form or another, but that's how these guys survive. You roll the dice enough times, and eventually you're gonna get a double six.

    Here's my prediction:

    In the next 12 months, a passenger plane carrying at least 25 people will crash, and nearly everyone, if not everyone, will die. It will happen within 50 miles of an airport, and will happen in the western hemisphere. The plane will have red and/or blue markings on it.

    Now, before you get all excited, it's a matter of statistics. Statistically, a plane like this crashes anout once a year or so. Does that make me a prophet? Of statistics, yes.
     
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    Mesly, thanks for jumping in. The Psalms do have prophecies that are interwoven in some of them.

    Jeff, I've been intrigued with Bible prophecy ever since I was 9 (and that was, well, let's say over 40 years ago, LOL).

    Anyway, I've thought for awhile now that perhaps the anti-Christ will come (not from Rome) but from the Arab world. The anti-Christ is a counterfeit. You remember the Promises of God/Covenant was given to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

    Well, here's a twist:

    The Islamic celebration of Eid is based on when Abraham took Ishmael, yes, Ismael to Mt. Moriah to be the sacrifice. So, Islam, besides being an obvious counterfeit, is counterfeit in this way, too.

    From the US Government web site about the Eid postage stamp:

    Here's a prophecy that has never been fulfilled yet - could this be from nuclear war?

    "For I have sworn by Myself," says the LORD, "that Bosra [Basra] shall become a desolation, a reproach, a waste, and a curse. And all its cities shall be perpetual wastes." Jeremiah 49:13

    Well some of us DO believe we are living in the End Times and DO believe in the parable of the Fig Tree, and could we please have this discussion without this thread being hijacked yet again by those who aren't pre-trib and aren't listening for the trumpet? Please? [​IMG]
     
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    Johnv,

    I read THE LATE GREAT PLANET EARTH back in the 70's as a teenager and it changed my life. I sought God to save me from those terrible times.

    I re-read the book a year or so ago just to see how it held up to time and I must admit, Lindsey still wasn't that far off considering what he had to work with back then.

    Sure, he claims that the Anti-Christ was most likely going to be European and the his kingdom was possibly the revived Roman Empire, but considering current events and the world situation of the 70's, he was on the right track.

    One thing he was certain about....the Anti-Christ was going to be worse than any leader the world has ever known. I won't matter if we is European, Islamic, Roman, Japanese, Chinese, or from Florida, it is going to kill ruthlessly.

    And I didn't say God would use lies to bring people to Christ. We are in a constant state of learning as Christians. What Lindsey and others revealed before, can be changed....as long as the core remains the same...that there will be an anti-christ who will be ruthless and bloodthirsty and that Jesus will return to defeat this man and set up his Kingdom on earth so that we may have hope in eternal life under his loving rule.
     
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    Ladyeagle,

    Islam is almost completely opposite of the Bible as you are probably aware.

    If you read the history of Islam, you can't help but think that Muhammad was possessed by a demon while in the desert cave. His sickness and fevers and foaming at the mouth and delirious bahavior were classic signs. I think his visions that were written down (and what later became the KORAN) where Satanic in nature.

    Muslims believe that our Judeo-Christian Bible is the counterfeit. That is why it is hard to witness to a Muslim. Satan has them firmly in his grasp.

    Another thing Stone brings up is Satan set up his Kingdom there near Babylon (Baghdad). Because Satan is not omnipresent, he is physically bound to one place at a time. Stone contends that after his fall, he stayed near the Garden of Eden which many Bible Scholars believe to be somewhere in Iraq. That is why there is such a Muslim stronghold of the region. He then sends his principalities around the globe to do his evil works.

    Interesting stuff!
     
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    So, the 4 angels that are loosed out of the Euphrates (in Iraq?), are they the WMDs?
     
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    To partially quote myself from the other thread:

    Many times throughout history believers have thought that the end was near. They were proved wrong. We have reasons now to believe that the time has come that make sense to some, but we could be wrong too.

    This is a healthy thing, to be digging into the Scripture to see if the signs it gives are here. The important thing is to remember that it is conjecture, and treat our theories as such.

    Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
     
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    I too agree that for those of us saved in the Blood of Jesus Christ, the end-times really shouldn't be a worry to us. We know we win in the end.

    My grandmother who is 84 and a Christian told me she remembers the days that people thought Hitler was the Anti-Christ and preachers would teach it from the pulpit. She said it was some pretty scary times.

    But if people knew their Bible, they would have known that several end-times prophesies had not come to pass then (Israel becoming a state).

    I use end-times prophesies as a witnessing tool. Of course I am careful to never declare this the end times because I am aware that we could have another 10,000 years or one more day. Only God knows.

    Of the people who have come to me out of curiosity, I simply read Daniel and Revelation and let the Scripture speak to them. Anyone with an open heart and mind find it hard to argue that there is a definiate connection with current world events and the end-times as described in Bible prophesy. Then I pray that the Holy Spirit will reveal the truth to them. I have no power in that area. I am merely a messenger.

    I know in my heart that God will reveal the truth to his children as it unfolds. If it weren't important, then it wouldn't be in the Bible. If the end-times scares someone into being saved (as it did me), then great! I think any rational person would not want to endure the end-times events.
     
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    Can it get anymore bizarre? [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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    Interesting stuff. I hadn't thought about the possibility that anti-christ would be muslim, but it makes sense. IF this feller were to make peace with Isreal and convince ALL other muslims to leave Isreal alone, it is conceivable that he would "by peace destroy many" Dan. 8:25.
    Interesting. Nothing more than interesting. As my Pastor says, "Once you figure out who anti-christ is, just what will you do with him since he is ordained to that office just as Judas was, and Pharoah in Moses' day."
    And as another friend has said, "Everyday, in everyway, we are getting closer to that GLORIOUS DAY"!
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    Benny Hinn was born in Israel, then he claimed to be Greek, then he claimed to be Arab, and several other nationalities. The Hinn family is Arab, and the language spoken in the Hinn home when Benny Hinn was growing up was Arabic.

    I don't think Benny Hinn is THE Anti-Christ, but the Bible says that there will be many anti-christs who will usher in THE Anti-Christ.

    Benny Hinn claimed that Jesus is now physically appearing in Muslim countries, and he predicted on the April 2nd 2000 TBN broadcast that Jesus will appear physically very soon in many churches to signal the nearness of the second coming, and that Jesus would also appear physically on the stage at his crusade in Nairobi Kenya in April of 2000.

    Back on 11 June 1988, a man suddenly appeared before a vast crowd in Nairobi, Kenya, gathered to witness healing prayers. Instantly recognizing the tall, white-robed figure as "Jesus Christ," the crowds fell down overcome with emotion. "Jesus! Jesus! Jesus of Nazareth!" went the loud whispers from the crowd as they raised up their hands in divine welcome.

    The dates are different, but the location is the same, and the people in Kenya thought Maitreya was Jesus Christ when he appeared to them. What would Hinn do if Maitreya appeared on stage at one of his crusades?

    I think Maitreya is one of the anti-christs that the Bible talks about. You can find out more about Maitreya online at the following URL's:

    http://www.shareintl.org/
    http://www.maitreya.org/
    http://www.maitreyaproject.org/

    [ May 14, 2004, 12:35 PM: Message edited by: NetPublicist ]
     
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    If you notice Maitreya's logo on that second link, it represents all of the major world religions, with "Seven Seals".

    Their motto from the Web site is "One World, One Humanity, One Savior, One God"

    This is from their site as well:

    In four of the great religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and Bahá'í) there is an expectation that the Messiah should come from the lineage of King David and Prophet Muhammad (a Syyed). This is obvious in Judaism as Christians have already tried to connect Christ's genealogy to King David. In Christianity, the Messiah is prophesied as The Lion of the Tribe of Judah (which King David also was from - Juda) who will open the the Book Sealed with the Seven Seals (Revelation 5:6). In Islam, it is Prophesied that Mahdi (their Expected One) will be from the lineage of Prophet Muhammad, as do the Bahá'ís. He will be born as a Sayyed, as a descendent of Prophet Muhammad through His daughter Fatima and His son-in-law Ali, the fourth Imam of Islam.

    Maitreya has fulfilled these Expectations!

    SOURCE
     
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    Is it possible the A/C could be a resurrected Muhammed? Something about giving life to the beast....
     

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