Coming to your neighborhood!

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  1. DQuixote

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    Coming to our neighborhood. Did you read that!?! California and New England are going mad! Are you going to sit on your hands on Sunday morning while your faith is destroyed all week long?



    Folks, Vacation Bible School won't get it anymore. The SBC and Baptists and other denominations in all 50 states need to come out swinging in a multi-media campaign promoting decency according to scripture! Let's spend less money on entertainment at the local church and less money on foreign missions, more on getting the Word out right here at home. We need to get our children OUT of the public school system. There are church buildings all across this land that can host "home schooling" for all parents who will bring their children there. No paid teachers, no paid staff, security by the men in the church, shared resources for books and other learning supplies. If we don't do it NOW there won't be any USA to send out missionaries. There won't be a local church. The handwriting is on the wall. Fifty states acting in unison to pull their kids out of public school and to launch a nationwide multi-media campaign for decency. Shout it from the housetops, proclaim it in the city streets. Think about it! A Christian school, Christian environment, pledge of allegiance OK, prayer OK, worship OK, in every church building across this land, our message going out 24/7/365 to every home across this land. "Home Schooling" inside the church building. Keep the legislatures out of it. Don't appeal to bureaucrats to "authorize" it with legislation. That will be its death knell.

    Sound like the thing to do to YOU?

    "Yes, BUT I don't know what to do..."
    "Yes, BUT the government won't let us."

    "Yes, BUT I know government is of, by, and for the people, but it just doesn't work that way."
    "Yes, BUT we don't want to get involved. Do you know anyone else who could help?
    "Yes, BUT we just don't have the time."
    "Yes, BUT "I'm too old". "I'm too young". "I don't understand".
    "Yes, BUT I'll ask around. Maybe we could talk about it in Sunday School some day."
    "Yes, BUT what will the Pastor say? Shouldn't we ask him first?"

    Get off your hands, church. Don't tell me it can't be done.

    JUST DO IT! START NOW! By next September we'll have Christians everywhere on board. There will be a tidal wave of Christians rising up to restore our faith and our right to be heard.

    Naysayers need not respond. :praying: :jesus: :godisgood: :1_grouphug: <--confer in your state!
     
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    i dont get it...
    are you passing along the spam from your inbox?
     
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    Sorry, I can agree with the entertainment statement... but I refuse to touch foreign missions.. I can't believe a Baptist would suggest such tripe.

    We need to increase home missions without decreasing foreign..
    Instead of giving up foreign missions... give up eating out once a week.

    That is what the average Christian gives to foreign missions anyway...
    Which is a sad state of affairs in itself...
    When you tip your waiter more than your missionary, something is wrong!
     
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    If America is as bad as shown here, it is in sad need
    of Foriegn Missions. In fact, I've heard missionaries
    speak in the USofA, missionaries
    from: South Africa, Israel, Russia, Ukraine,
    Romania, Kenya, Nigeria - that I can recall.
     
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    Sadly--American Public School system is a joke---a bad joke---a horrible nitemare!!!! The public systems that I am fimiliar with have traded in "The 3 R's" and have become cesspools for socialization and wild ranpant sex---both students and teachers alike!!!

    On the bright side---there is a "remnant" of Godly teachers and administrators who are impacting their corner of the system---but sometimes I believe they feel overwelmed.

    Homeschooling??? The only way to go for my family!! My two children do not know what life is like in the public school system---in which I am so thankful they do not know!!!

    BUT according to the OP of this thread----the answer lies in churches opening their doors for homeschooling-----well---for parents to "corral" their children up and parade them over to the church so that another person can teach them----is NOT----repeat---is NOT homeschooling!!!
     
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    It is such a joke that foreigners are coming to America to get an education. In my field many of them are seriously lacking when they come. That is one of the reasons why they come to America to educated. In fact some universities are now expanding in other countries. The foreigners I talk with think that is a good thing.

    It is such a joke that we consistently have the highest percentage rate of the population producing patents compared to every other country in the world. It is such a joke that we have the best prepared military in the world. It is such a joke that we have the best technolgy available to the average citizen and military. It is such a joke that foreigners come to this country and see libraries and technology they have never seen.

    Schools are a reflection of the community where they are located. There are some school districts I would not consider teaching in because the people are known for being lazy, making lots of noise complaining that the teachers give to much homework and that schools should be fun. They expect that school should be fun and not hard work. Good teachers quickly leave those communities. Those kind of communities retain teachers that are complacent and are unlikely to get hired in another community.

    When I taught high school years ago I never had students complain about winning every competition they entered. I never heard them complain about the homework I gave them. I never heard them complain what they were learning. I never heard them complain about how hard they had to work to learn. Quite often it was parents who complained about how much homework I gave. Yet they often failed to appreciate the fact that my students won the competitions.

    We have lived in many communities. Where we live now the teachers give a lot of homework and I have never heard a parent complain about homeworkload or the schools. In fact I hear talk about how great the schools are. In other communities I heard parents complain about the homework load which was much less than here. They expect their children to have fun in school rather than work hard. The success rate of the parents and children is easily seen.
     
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    I believe that if you examine the OP you will discover that the issue's implication is directed toward public school K-12 and does not imply that American Secondary Education is in as much "shambles" as is its Primary (K-12)

    Would a Saudi Aribian(or any other foreigner who knows what direction is up and which direction is down) pull up stakes and head over here for a university degree???? You betcha!!!

    Would that same Saudi send his little 8 year old boy or girl to Birmingham's "Inner City" school or to just about any public system school in New Orleans or Little Rock or Dallas or Atlanta or Richmond or Chicago???

    Doubtful----very doubtful!!!
     
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    I like OP. Sadly, most people do not want the inconveince that inevitably comes with home schooling. I know that is how my mother was for a long time. Thankfully, in my Sophmore year of public high school, God brought about certain situations to reveal to us the depraved state of public schools and how pernicious it was for a child of God to be exposed at a young age to all the wickedness.

    Why are not more Christians homeschooling? :BangHead:

    I just went to a middle school around here to play baseball with my older brother. Needless to say, it made me thank God from how much he has delivered me, allowing me to have this time to focus on Him and my walk with Him.
     
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    How many missionaries will be sent if the 'good 'ole USA' is in a state of collapse from rampant drugs/alcohol, wide-open sex, unimaginable profanity, gangs, the influx of non-Christians and Roman Catholics from outside the USA, all in and coming out of our public schools. Christian students in the public school system are increasingly painted into the "keep your mouth shut" corner. If there are no Christian youth to grow up to be responsible Christian parents who teach their children Christian values within the Christian environment and safety of a local church building, who will fund missionaries?

    Tripe? I don't think so. THAT grieves me more than anything in this thread.

    Say again? Is that what parents do when they take their children to public schools? "Corral" them up and parade them over to the school building so that another person can teach them? As pointed out in the OP, moms and dads take their children to the church building instead of the public school building, there to teach them themselves, in a classroom environment. Obviously, there will be a sharing of classrooms and shared responsibilites, all by moms and dads. That will develop as this solution to the nightmare progresses. Just as no local church tells another local church how to worship, each local home-schooling-church will develop on its own, all under the supervision of parents. Texas won't do it like Oregon. Montana won't do it like South Carolina. The end result is children that are better educated (home schooling wins that title everytime) in a clearly Christian environment. How better to prepare for the hallowed halls of colleges and universities?
    :praying: :jesus: :godisgood: :wavey:
     
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    Your idea would just be fodder for a big court battle. In most states, you can't even operate a day care in your home, let alone a church, to babysit children without approval from the State (license) as to # of children, cleanliness, meals served, etc. So I see a court battle should your idea take root and who would foot the bill for the lawsuits? Doncha know the ACLU would be there in a heart beat protesting separation of church and state. Many if not most households have both parents working just to pay the mortgage, utilities, and feed and clothe their kids. Yes, the right or wrong is another debate and not the issue here but is a fact of life in these United States - but how many parents (if not working) would be willing to homeschool someone else's kids day after day, deal with discipline, and all the other issues.

    Those who can afford it, send their children to Christian Schools K-12.

    This is all said not to throw cold water on your idea, but just to throw in the realities of life in America which is not the America I grew up in where we had prayer and Bible reading in public schools back in the 1950s and early 1960s. That America is long gone like Atlantis.
     
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    What proof do have that a child who is home schooled and has an IQ of 120 is better edcuated then the public school educated child having the same IQ. How about comparing the home schooled child who has a 70 IQ compared to the public school educated child who has a 70 IQ.

    I think the success rate would depend on many things including the parents, community, state and particular school.

    I think most of the success of a child in life is directly related to the parent's attitude toward learning. The parents who are always learning and studying set an example for their children that will serve their children long after they die. My parents and grandparents were not very well educated but they were always learning new things. Growing up I had good friends who did well in school. I had teachers who encouraged me and helped me along the way. Even though my parents could not help me with my homework once I entered high school they held me accountable for getting my homework done and getting good grades.

    I have never had home schooled students in any of my classes so I have no way of comparing. It is doubtful that I will either because of the field I am in.
     
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    Because not every parent is called to homeschool.
    Because not every parent is able to homeschool.
    Because not every parent is qualified to homeschool.
    (some need an education themselves)

    I can just imagine some parents around here trying to teach their children!

    It would be like, "Now listen up, ya'll see them there two apples... well, what would ya git if ya was ta take two more apples, and done add them to the two you already got?"

    4!... see son, I told ya I could learn ya"

    Sorry... I we already have too many stupid folk running around.. I don't want them teaching any child.. let alone join together with them to create a homeschooling center.
     
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    I have lived in several states and found that school districts can vary by as much as almost 1.5 years in the same grade. One school district we lived in had some very good teachers but they also had a hard time retaining good teachers. Fortunately for us the teachers my daughter had were excellent and expected their students to work hard. During our short tiem there we heard many parents complain about some of the good teachers simply because they gave more homework that the others who were not quite as good. When my daughter was given all of the top award at school we heard a lot of negativity from some of the parents. It cost my daughter some "friends" whose parents did not like it that an outsider won so many. The next area we lived in had teachers and scholos that encouraged hard work and good behavior. Most of the parents were involved in the child's education. If you did not come ot a function at the school you were in the minority. In some school districts we lived in those who came to school functions were in the minority. Ever notice how there is a direct relationshipo between the parent's attitude, their expectation and the quality of the schools? Good teachers wil not stay in a school district where they are abuseed and ridiculed.

    Many years ago I taught high school in district that had students who came from the bottom 3 percentile of educational background. Their parents had very little education. When they graduated they graduated in the 60th percentile among their peers. The school never won any top honors for educational achievement. Most of the parents could not speak English. They worked in the fields durng the day. If you ever called a parent because of a discipline problem their child did not come to school the next day the same. I got quite an awakening when I saw what kinds of homes the troublemakers came from. In most cases they came from homes whose parents had money and allowed their kids to be lazy. For many years the valedictorian came from a home whose parents did not speak English and was headed to a well known college with a full scholarship. When I started asking some of the students why their families were so successful I always got the same answer. Their parents expected them to work hard so they would not have to work in the fields like their were doing. That schol had very few discipline problems. If any students were caught fighting the police were called in and the students were arrested. The principal was a former student of that high schol but had dropped out. Later he went into the military and then went to a junior college. He eventually earned a master's degree. Near the end of my first year teaching several faculty told me I should come to the graduation. When I asked them what made it so different then could not give me many words other than to tell me I should come. When I did, I understood what they were telling me. What I experienced there shaped me for the rest of my life. Just because people come from a low educational background does not mean they are poorly educated. For several nights near the end of the school year I was invited by students to come to their home to eat dinner with their family. A lot of them were poor. When you would come they would give you the best place at the table and have on some of their best clothes. Most of the teachers were white, chose to live in that community and have their own children in that school because of its excellence. I came to the conclusion that I would much rather teach students coming from that level of educational background whose parents had the attitude they did than anywhere else. For many years a number of the teachers who retired from there had only taught at one location. For many it was their first and only teachiung job. For about 30 years they had the same principal and superintendent.

    The students I taught this year who just graduated were offered an average salary of 55K. The average teacher was offered 25K. It does not take much of a brain to know that no matter how well a person likes teaching it is highly unlikely he will stay for that kind of difference in salary. Within 3 years almost every starting teacher leaves the profession because of salary. I did and went to work for a large company making enough money so that I could buy a home. A few years ago I sold that home and went back into teaching. Because of the equity I had in the home and some extra money I was able to almost pay cash house for a very nice home where I live. When I was in teaching my rent was slightly over 1/2 of my take home pay.
     
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    Amen Brother Tim!

    There is no one size fits all answer to educatating our children. Lets look at my oun situation. My kids are in the public schools. Some here imply that "GOOD CHRISTIANS" homeschool.

    I am a Christian. That means I am a sinner and I can't be "GOOD".

    My wife is disabled and both physically and mentally unable to homeschool.

    I work an avg. of 50 hours a week to support my family. I don't have the time left over to be able to provide the amount of time involved in homeschooling.

    So homeschooling is not a good solution for my family. What about a private Christian School. Well with my wife's disability even with health insurance we have large medical bills on a ongoing basis. So I can't really afford to pay the tuition required at a private school.

    It seems that the best alternative for MY family is the public school.

    That is not to say that homeschooling or private school is not the best alternative for other families. We all have to look at our gifts and resources to determine what is best for our own family.

    Let's also not forget that just as not all parents are equiped to homeschool their children, not all children are equiped to succeed in a homeschool enviroment. As we examine ourselves we should also examine our children to determine where our children can get the best possible education for themselves.

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    Good grief.

    Parents who are already home schooling would meet at the church.


    Parents who are already home schooling would meet at the church.


    Parents who are already home schooling would meet at the church.

    They would form the nucleus of the system. Those who are qualified to teach at home would follow by removing their children from the public schools. We're talking about Christian folk. Beer-drinking, smoking, cussing rednecks need not apply. No one would simply leave a child at the church building to go do other stuff. No one.

    As had been said before, folks don't respond to an OP. They respond to their own distortions of it.

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    I think we both have different motivations for the whole educational journey. That is, people who are firm advocates of home schooling do not do so because of superior academic outcomes, but more because they want their children to be sanctified vessels fit for God's use.

    Your kids are in public schools, you have opened the door for indoctrination in your children. I was raised in a Christian home, I went to private schools up until 6th grade so I had a firm foundation, but then due to so called 'financial issues' I was thrust into a public school environment. I could tell you stories about what I have seen from as early as 7th grade that would make you sick.

    I beg you, not for your sake, but for the future of Christendom, pull your kids out of the public schools.

    To the wind with financial 'needs'. My Mom is a single-mom who gets paid very close to minimum wage. My education? Terrible. My mom cannot help me with mathematical concepts if I do not understand them, nor could she help me with any other subject. My future? Not too bright. I left public schools, and in so doing was denied the priviledge of a guidance counselor to help me plan for college, as well as baseball which was going to be a key to getting a poor boy like me into a good college.

    Not trying to whine. My point is that I sacrificed the treasures of this world, where moth and rust doth corrupt, to lay up treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt. I have not regretted it. Sure, I may be a truck driver, but I have developed a relationship with God, and I can derive much more joy from God than having 2.5 kids and financial stability.

    This is going to sound like a heretical statement, and obviously much of this will be regarded as opinion, but after having exposure to many different Christian teenagers, I can tell you that there is a distinct difference with Christians who go to public schools. They have a synthetic world view, that is, a meshed together world view with little bits of Christian thought and little bits of humanism intertwined. This shows itself by the actions they take, by the shallowness in their Christian walk, by the thrill seeking ego trip they turn the Christian life into.

    Psalm 1 says "Blessed is the man who walks not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor stands in the way of sinners, nor sits in the seat of the scornful" If your kid goes to public schools, he isn't blessed according to that verse.
     
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    So by not home schooling I don't want my children to be sanctified vessels fit for Gods use? Correct me if I am wrong, but that is how I read your statement.

    It is my job to teach my children about Christ. I don't expect the public schools to do that. I expect the public schools to teach reading, math, science, social studies. You see the school has its job and I have mine. I am sorry that you are so bitter about whatever financial issues forced you into the public school system, and I will pray for you.

    Yes my children will be exposed to things that are not of God in the public school system, but if I do my job correctly they will stand up for God and proclaim his Grace. My son has been teased being called preacher boy because he talks about God. He still keeps talking about God. This is preparing him for going out into the work force someday where unless he is called to the ministry or mission field he will be surrounded by mostly non-Christians. He will have to deal with these non-Christians and do his best to win them to Christ. Will he be better prepared for this task because of being in the public schools? I don't know I do know that being in public school he can put his faith into action and be an example to the many non-Christians he come into contact with every day. By doing that he is fulfilling the Great Commission.

    So just because you don't like the public school system please do not condemn those of us who feel that this is where we want to send our children to school. Have an open mind and realize that what is important is that we believe in Jesus Christ and try to follow in his footsteps.


    Would Jesus condemn me for letting my son be a Christian example to the publicans and sinners of today? I don't think so.






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    I used to attend a church that did that...
    But what would happen was a couple parents were serious, the rest weren't, so the kids were learning from the serious parents and not their own...

    If it could work, fine...
    But it is not for me.

    And why do you want to cut foreign missions?
    That is in the OP, I believe.
     
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    christianyouth, you are wise beyond your years. Keep on keeping on! Rejoice in the Lord always, and again I say, rejoice!


    From tinytim........
    I already answered that question.

    :1_grouphug: <----praying for our youth to get out of the miserable public school system.
     

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