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Featured Common Core Program Teaches Kids to Hate Israel [Video]

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by Revmitchell, May 22, 2015.

  1. righteousdude2

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    :applause: :applause: :applause:
     
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    Once again, you are speaking out of the side of your mouth. You are like the wizard of oz. You operate from behind the curtain of ambiguity, smoke and mirrors, and ne'er do you address the issues at hand. :type:
     
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    Look up the definition of "imply." Then please consider answering my question: if it's already imbalanced towards Christianity and Judaism, then which religious texts do YOU think political conservatives want?

    As in, me personally?

    Everyone's got at least two. Some smell worse than others.

    You know what they say about "assume"...why don't you try looking it up?

    Even when that point of view says Hamas isn't a terrorist organization?
     
  4. Zaac

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    Also imbalanced toward Islam. I don't know which one political conservatives want . I would imagine since you left out Islam, yall may want Islam removed.


    No need.

    It's an exercise. I'm sure from the Palestinian POV, they aren't a terrorist organization.
     
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    But--you're the one who asked if they should switch to the one more desired by political conservatives. If you don't know which one that is, then your question is sheer nonsense.

    So the question, Zaac, is: What's YOUR point of view? Are they terrorists or not?

    Are you satisfied with your children being taught this way?

    Or are you possibly being contrary just for the sake of being contrary?
     
  6. Zaac

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    Unless political conservatives have a more desired one, the complaints and the thread are nonsense.

    Why is that the question? My POV has nothing to do with the OP.
    It's a role-playing exercise. I would imagine, as with role playing exercises, some are asked to approach the exercise from different POVs that may differ from their own. I don't have a problem with that.

    If you don't believe it's factual, then take an interest in your child's work and tell them it's just an exercise and not everything they say is necessarily factual.

    I tell kids all the time that they have to go beyond what the teachers give them especially as pertains to history and social events as the "facts" are generally skewed. The majority of American History is only partially fact. ANd the majority of social history is only partially factual , all being skewed towards whomever is in control.

    Do you need a friend , Don? Because if you wanted to ask about my thoughts on Hamas, you could have started another thread and done so. But as to this thread, it's a role playing exercise. Like D&D, kids can be told that the role they are playing isn't necessarily based upon reality.

    Critical thinking involves getting people out of their "comfortable" points of view and looking at things from another perspective in order to foster better relations and a possible solution.
     
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    Hey, you're the one that implied political conservatives wanted to change the religious texts in Common Core; you've just failed so far to prove not only that they want to change it, but what they want to change it to.

    Sure it does. If you don't view Hamas as a terrorist organization, then you have no problem with children--in their impressionable years--being told that Hamas is simply a political organization.

    How many kids? How many are yours? And how many, of the millions that are being subjected to this curriculum, have someone like you telling them that, rather than simply being sent off to school for free babysitting?

    It also involves honesty and truth. So we're back to the question: Do YOU believe Hamas is a terrorist organization? If no, you don't, then there's nothing further we need to discuss.

    If yes, then how can you call this a critical thinking exercise, when the author has admitted that his goal is to make children believe Hamas is only a political organization?
     
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    Hamas is a terrorist organization. It is idiocy that says otherwise.
     
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    Common core curriculum will be very useful in the near future, when government is the center of everything, and "freedom", and "independence" will be troublesome words.
     
  10. Zaac

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    I didn't imply anything. I ASKED. :laugh: I wasn't trying to prove they want to change it. They obviously have a problem with it as is. SO what do they want to change it to?


    Your opinion. Whether or not I view Hamas as a terrorist organization has NOTHING to do with the OP. You just want it to. You can tell em whatever you want about Hamas. It's a role playing exercise.

    If you're not talking to them about Jesus, I really don't care what you tell them about Hamas.


    Again, I don't really care. I have to approach everybody as though they haven't heard the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I can't spend too much time on what kids think about Hamas when they are dying and going to hell.


    It's a role playing exercise. And we're not back to that question because it's irrelevant to the OP and like I said, I don't really care.

    He's not running the exercise. And dependent upon what perspective you want to take, they can be a political organization or whatever else the folks involved in the role playing exercise want them to be.

    You obviously want the curriculum to reflect Hamas as a terrorist organization and maybe one of the perspectives allow for that. But as it is a role playing exercise, don't be surprised if another perspective doesn't view them as such.
     
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    If that's true, then you worded your original question poorly.
    Wrong. The opening post is about a segment of the Common Core curriculum that portrays Hamas as nothing more than a political faction--by the admission of the author of that curriculum segment.

    If we accept your trivialization, then we might as well say the KKK is nothing more than a social club.

    Then why did you even bother to get involved in this thread?

    Good luck doing that in our schools. Let us know how long you keep your teaching job.

    Then why do you keep coming back to this thread?

    What I obviously want is TRUTH. It's intellectually dishonest to portray Hamas as only a political faction, ignoring their history and tactics. What you propose is white-washing history just as much as you've indicated has already been done by current history books. You don't seem to appreciate that; why are you willing to let it slide for this?
     
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    SO? It's a role playing exercise. So again, you and others apparently have a problem with how Hamas is being portrayed. You got another POV in mind that they should be using?

    For role playing, you feel free to make them a social club.:thumbs:


    It certainly wasn't to define Hamas.


    It's a role playing exercise that already includes tenets of CHristianity and Judaism. I think I'd be fine.

    Because you keep asking the same dumb question. :laugh:

    What you want is your perspective of truth taught. So you've answered my question.


    It's a role-playing exercise. It's not history. :laugh:
     
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    Okay, Zaac: let's do some role-playing. You tell us why the cops around our country are justified in buying and using military weapons and equipment, especially in situations such as the recent race-related demonstrations.

    If you can provide that role-playing perspective, I'll acknowledge that we're making a mountain out of a molehill.
     
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    You do understand that role-playing requires that parameters be set before the exercise. What you're asking has nothing to do with role-playing.
    The issue here is that you don't seem to understand role-playing as a teaching method.

    In role -playing, we could make Barack Obama a Muslim President of the United States and ask a team representing Israel how they would respond to his agreement to give Iran a nuclear weapon?

    The parameters would be set.

    Why cops are justified in buying equipment isn't a role-playing exercise.
     
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    As I thought.

    Role-playing in a school setting does NOT, and should not, create and/or use a falsehood as a teaching tool. You obviously don't have kids; and you've obviously never taught.

    The parameters for the cops situation are clear; I asked you to take a position contrary to your normal position; thus, role-play the other side. I fully expected you to not engage; I must admit, I was hopeful that you would, and am somewhat disappointed that you chose the route of intellectual dishonesty.
     
  16. Zaac

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    Umm, it does and it should. That's why it's called role-PLAYING and not HISTORY.

    Nope. You asked me for an explanation as seen below:

    That's NOT role-playing.


    Ohh boo hoo hoo. Cry me a river. :rolleyes:

    The only intellectual dishonesty taking place is you again trying to manipulate the conversation so that you can hem me in. :laugh:

    I can't engage with you if you don't understand the concept you're asking about.

    Role-playing is intended to help you understand the other person's point of view. I understand that you GOP types shut down when it comes to any POV other the FOX News generated type.

    But it's ridiculously silly of you to sit here and chide me about intellectual dishonesty when you intellectually are misunderstanding the concept of role-playing.
     
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