Communism in America?!? Or, Please redefine communism.

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  1. Ivon Denosovich

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    A parent was considered a threat to scociety because he was, "self-proclaimed constitutionalist."

    Reason links to a World Net Daily report:

    The father should have opened fire, IMHO. Unbelievable.
     
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    He would now be dead if he opened fire.

    What good would that have done his child?

    What does this thread have to do with communism?
     
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    Good point. On second's thoughts, the invaders deserve to be shot.
    I find it eerily reminiscent- unmistakably so- to communism to invade a private dwelling place with a SWAT team with no prior aggression on the part of the suspect beyond a Sheriff's discomfort with an individual's politics.

    ETA: FWIW, World Net Daily is a conservative publication, not libertarian, and they described the scenario as a "police state." But I can see how all of this is confusing for you, carpro, as clearly there are no similarities between a police state and communism. So, to answer your question: 'Nothing... this thread has nothing to do with communism.'
     
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    What I find most troubling is this:

    :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

    And this:

    What happened to civil liberties? What happened to innocent-until-proven-guilty? If the sheriff can't substantiate his claim about the father's "illegal behavior" necessitating this use of force then he should be sued for slander.
     
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    I guess "give me liberty or give me death" would get you laughed out of most cliques, nowadays.
     
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    Perhaps so.

    It also reminds me of modern liberals in America , specifically the Clinton administration, and their gestapo tactics.

    Liberals believe the government knows what is best for everyone. In this case, government decided the parent was not acting in the best interest of his child , so law enforcement officers entered his home and took his child.

    Doesn't sound like communists at all.
     
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    I realize that we have only the information found in this article, but if the report is accurate and unbiased, a law suit may be in order. If this type of overbearing goverment is allowed to run free then it will only get worse.
     
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    NAZI, not communist.
     
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    Ivon,

    I can't believe that you are saying that the invaders deserve to be shot.

    I guarantee you that the SWAT team members did not make the decision to enter his house. They were following orders from their superiors, orders following general protocols.
     
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    com-on........communism? In our country? Surely you jest!

    However, our rights are under attack in our country; just about everyone voices some concern over some 'problem' in our society or in the leadership of our country...... and if one goes to the bottom line..... they will find power lust and greed conspiring to remove us from our rights as guaranteed by the constitution. To prevent our sudden shock and sudden reaction and perhaps revolution, these processes are occurring at a slow pace with the intention of reducing alarm in those of us who are sleeping or too bothered with our own cares to do anything about it, and acceptance by those of us who have succumbed to the propaganda and gradual dumbing down of relying upon others to do our thinking for us.

    Please visit this site: (My apologies that it is not complete...... because years have passed and we have another President....Bush.... in power. However, if we think this site represents potential threat....consider the current legislation which has passed where OUR REPRESENTATIVES have given in to invasion of our privacy rights, limited access to habeas corpus, funded a war based upon falsehood, collaborated with big industry to regulations so that a farmer may not plant, grow, save seeds, husband livestock, or fish out of other than his own pond....without license; and support IRS directives which limit most pastors who visit this site from free speech in the pulpit to call the nation and its leaders to repentance...to point out the errancy of public policy, to warn against deceitful practices etc.)

    http://saveus.org/docs/factsheets/executiveorders.pdf
     
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    I am not condoning the idea that the father should have opened fire; however, isn't that the same reason given by the guards at Nazi death camps for their actions during World War II?

    Also, the police should be the police, not the army. This SWAT team business has gotten way, way out of hand in these United States.
     
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    Americans have long maintained that a man’s home is his castle and that he has the right to defend it from unlawful intruders. Unfortunately, that right may be disappearing. Over the last 25 years, America has seen a disturbing militarization of its civilian law enforcement, along with a dramatic and unsettling rise in the use of paramilitary police units (most commonly called Special Weapons and Tactics, or SWAT) for routine police work. The most common use of SWAT teams today is to serve narcotics warrants, usually with forced, unannounced entry into the home.

    These increasingly frequent raids, 40,000 per year by one estimate, are needlessly subjecting nonviolent drug offenders, bystanders, and wrongly targeted civilians to the terror of having their homes invaded while they’re sleeping, usually by teams of heavily armed paramilitary units dressed not as police officers but as soldiers. These raids bring unnecessary violence and provocation to nonviolent drug offenders, many of whom were guilty of only misdemeanors. The raids terrorize innocents when police mistakenly target the wrong residence. And they have resulted in dozens of needless deaths and injuries, not only of drug offenders, but also of police officers, children, bystanders, and innocent suspects.

    This paper presents a history and overview of the issue of paramilitary drug raids, provides an extensive catalogue of abuses and mistaken raids, and offers recommendations for reform.

    CATO Institute
     
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