Communists have good month

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  1. church mouse guy

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    It’s Been a Good Month to Be a Communist—Strike Up The Internationale!

    The United States has reversed a decades-long policy (enforced by ten U.S. presidents) that weakened and isolated an unapologetically Marxist regime. In return, the U.S. secured no economic, political, or moral interests from Cuba’s current government, which continues to impoverish, imprison, and terrorize its own people. The reality of life on the island nation is far from the rose-colored nostalgia popularized in American notions of a living museum stuck in the 1950s. Unilaterally changing US policy toward Cuba does nothing for the Cuban people, but does serve to immediately legitimize that nation’s Communist Party rule.

    http://victimsofcommunism.org/its-been-a-good-month-to-be-a-communist-strike-up-the-internationale/
     
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    That's a great isolationist argument if ever I heard one.

    Let's not trade with the Cuban people and treat them like human beings and give them an example of what it's like to live like free people. That might bring them to a point where they might reject their oppressor's and communism!

    No it's better to keep them isolated and alone with no hope of escape, right?
     
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    I can't believe that you said that! That sounds just like the typical liberal Democrat line.

    They have already rejected the Castro brothers in every respect but they are repressed by a military dictatorship.

    We are intercepting them at sea and returning them home--how cruel is that?

    I am sick and tired of the liberal line that trade with communists thugs and other totalitarian thugs brings freedom. Has trade with China done anything for the people of Tibet? No. Would trade with North Korea help the starving people there who eat grass? No. Has a hundred years of trade with Islam done anything to stop the universal mutilation of women and the ongoing human rights abuses? No.

    There is no embargo on Cuba if they pay cash but the Democrats want to extend credit so that Democrats can sell stuff to Cuba and the taxpayers can pick up the bill when Cuba defaults, as they have defaulted with every other country in the world.

    It is only the US that has any restrictions on Cuba. There are more tourists in Cuba now than ever.

    The money all goes to the Castros and no one else.

    This is what the liberal Democrats think will bring democracy to Cuba:

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    Westerners vacationing in Cuba.
     
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    Of course you think it's liberal. Anything short of invasion and occupation is liberal in the average conservative mind these days.

    Not all conservatives think like of course and the way to tell the difference is they're the ones usually being ragged on and called liberals by the rest.

    And what does democracy have to with America? In case you haven't noticed that's not democracy we're spreading all over the world it's chaos and blood.

    Sanctions and embargoes do nothing to stop evil rulers all they do is pass the misery down to the people you act like you care about. Baloney. You don't care about the Cuban people you just want to keep punishing the Castros to make yourself feel better. Maybe even superior.

    What makes you think you and you're neocon pals are right about how to handle Cuba when you and they have been wrong about handling everything else?

    You can't even bring yourself to admit you were wrong about Ukraine and the "Russian invasion" that never was. Why should anyone listen to your opinions or take your fear mongering and "this evil guy has to go" meme serious anymore? It all leads to the same misguided and costly fiascoes of bloodshed and chaos your heros are famous for.

    You and Obama screwed up backing the neo nazis in Ukraine. That whole false narrative is falling apart. Just like the false narratives about Iraq and Libya and Syria. All your heros know how to do is lie and belittle people who don't go along with their plans.

    Y'all have been wrong about everything else so why should anyone take any of you serious this time?

    I'm sick and tired of hearing the neocon's "noble lies" and listening to you repeating them. Even after they've been proven to be lies!

    The sad part about all this is you don't even know how easily manipulated you are. Here's an article that might clue you in.

    ‘Group-Thinking’ the World into a New War

    Exclusive: The armchair warriors of Official Washington are eager for a new war, this time with Russia over Ukraine, and they are operating from the same sort of mindless “group think” and hostility to dissent that proved so disastrous in Iraq, reports Robert Parry.

    By Robert Parry

    If you wonder how the lethal “group think” on Iraq took shape in 2002, you might want to study what’s happening today with Ukraine. A misguided consensus has grabbed hold of Official Washington and has pulled in everyone who “matters” and tossed out almost anyone who disagrees.

    Part of the problem, in both cases, has been that neocon propagandists understand that in the modern American media the personal is the political, that is, you don’t deal with the larger context of a dispute, you make it about some easily demonized figure. So, instead of understanding the complexities of Iraq, you focus on the unsavory Saddam Hussein.

    This approach has been part of the neocon playbook at least since the 1980s when many of today’s leading neocons – such as Elliott Abrams and Robert Kagan – were entering government and cut their teeth as propagandists for the Reagan administration. Back then, the game was to put, say, Nicaragua’s President Daniel Ortega into the demon suit, with accusations about him wearing “designer glasses.” Later, it was Panamanian dictator Manuel Noriega and then, of course, Saddam Hussein.

    Instead of Americans coming to grips with the painful history of Central America, where the U.S. government has caused much of the violence and dysfunction, or in Iraq, where Western nations don’t have clean hands either, the story was made personal – about the demonized leader – and anyone who provided a fuller context was denounced as an “Ortega apologist” or a “Noriega apologist” or a “Saddam apologist.”

    https://consortiumnews.com/2015/01/30/group-thinking-the-world-into-a-new-war/

    Have a look in the mirror CMG. Take a good look. That's YOU Parry is describing right down to the nitty gritty. You got it so easy dude. You never even have to change your plays or propaganda all you gotta do is switch out the name of the "evil bad guy" in your sights and use the same old plays and propaganda over and over and over again.

    Maybe you should make a recording and just play it back every time you set out to demonize your way to another bloody intervention and nation building project.

    CMG says, "the Russians invaded Ukraine!!!"

    Poncho says, "prove it".

    CMG says, "Poncho you're a Putin lover".

    CMG says, "Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner murdered Alberto Nisman"

    Poncho Says, "prove it"

    CMG says, "Poncho why do you love the Kirchners?"

    I'm wondering how CMG has been able to avoid calling me a "Castro lover" so long. Wait maybe he has in another thread and I'm overlooking it.

    Yeah Buddy Robert Parry sure has you pegged.

    One of these days I'm going to go through all the threads you and I have argued in and collect the evidence just to show you that you never deviate from the neocon "group think" even after you and they have been proven wrong.
     
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