Comparing America to Ancient Civilizations

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No it's not Brother Curtis. It is a sin to steal from and oppress the poor which is the general rule of the rich according to James 5. Also Paul tells us that not many noble are called in 1Cor.
How many born again Bible thumping rich people do you know? I don't see a revival of biblical ethics on Wall st. I haven't seen many revivals break out amongst the rich elite in this country.
Is your church full of rich folks lined up to give away a great portion of thier wealth and follow Jesus? Most are like the rich young ruler.
Thank God for the few rich who are following God but they are the exception and not the rule. </font>[/QUOTE]The rich folks and the promise of wealth is exactly what makes this nation great. The rich accumulate wealth and in so doing , create jobs for not so rich, and everytime a wealthy industrialist gets a windfall, he reinvests it to create more jobs and to increase his personal wealth. If those on the left were to have their way we'd end up with the Soviet system where there is no incentive to work, since personal wealth is forbidden. 99% of rich folks, are what make capitalism vibrant.

 

Some of the rich folk don't get rich without doing on the backs of others. Some of the rich folk don't create jobs but suck businesses and retiremnt funds of its workers dry.And definitely not all wealthy industrialist reinvest in its employees or its companybut rather sell and move on, it would be nice if they did though.
99%? Show me where you get your data.

 

I got my data out of thin air comprised of wishful thinking and a hankering. A capitalist is a capitalist. I probably should have guessed 96%.

And a capitalist wants to always make more money or provide more product or service, and reinvesting profits is the way they do it. No brainer.

 

Only the smart ones.

 

It seems to me that the "working class" has a lot more wealth than ever before in history. They own the skills. The owners own the jobs. </font>[/QUOTE]----------------------------
Dragoon , will have to disagree on that point. Most of the working class wages have not kept up with inflation and thats a fact. Although I am sure that a few dwindling good paying jobs do exist among the working class but they are dissapppearing quickly. </font>[/QUOTE]It seems to me people today have a lot more material wealth than their parents and grandparents did and have that much earlier in thier lives. Maybe they do pay more for some services, pay more taxes, and are burdened with supporting a lot more leaches on society but they sure seem to have a lot more "disposable income" as it's called.

 

What is disposable income? Is that income that you never see? If that is the case then I have plenty of that.

 

Disposable income? In child support court it means any money you have left in your paycheck after taxes and therefore is fair game for lawyers to dispose of as they see fit.

 

From the voice of experience... no it isn't.

The illegals aren't stealing skilled, "decent" jobs. They're doing primarily low-skill jobs that even the lowest rung of American workers turn their nose up at.

 

That is a demonstrably false statement.

The "assets" of people living below the US "poverty" line are greater than the assets controlled/owned by virtually everyone 40 years ago. The "working class" has never been better off anywhere in the world... and definitely not in a socialistic/union dominated society.

The "working class" may not have/get everything it wants... It may not be "keeping up with the Jones"... whoever that happens to be but the bottom line is that people must take responsibility for themselves. You have to assess whether the risks of being an entrepreneur are worth the rewards or if you like the "security" of being "working class". No one is forcing you to be "working class".

I fail to see how you think it is unfair that your "assets" are transferred to the rich in exchange for the goods and services their company provides. Do you think the rich should just give you things somehow? Or are you blinded by envy and coveteousness to the extent that it just bothers you to see others have things you don't have?

 

What kind of business? Is he sure they are illegals or is he judging that by their appearance? Are they doing poor work? Being paid below minimum wage? Not paying payroll taxes?

What kind of labor is your father doing that illegals are knocking him out of?

 

BTW, define "stealing" as you used it above.

If they are willing to do more work for less money... isn't that "earning"?

 

From the voice of experience... no it isn't.

The illegals aren't stealing skilled, "decent" jobs. They're doing primarily low-skill jobs that even the lowest rung of American workers turn their nose up at. </font>[/QUOTE]Granted that Illegals are doing low paying jobs but in some cases it is not uncommon for those of a hispanic ethnic background who manage to be in a employee reations job where they screen job applicants they will hire illegals and those of hispanic origins.
Illegals should take proper steps to legally work in our country.

 

I agree that illegals should become legal. But they shouldn't be rejected on the basis that they out-compete natives for jobs.

 

Agreed, as long as it is a level playing field and that companies do not take advantage of the low pay. Companies should pay fairly, it affects the living environment of our country when they do not.
We have a lot of fine hispanic families moving to Northwest Arkansas , one of there concerns is that communities in our area do not become like East L.A. but our communities are being steamrollered over because undesirables coming in and setting up shop here.
Vicente Fox needs to do his part in controlling illegal immigration into this country instead of aiding it. Our country should stand firm on closing our borders if Mexico cannot or will not abide by good neighbor standards.

 

Can anyone show some proof that illegal immigrants from Mexico commit more crimes, or require more free health care than any group of Americans ?

 

Doesn't make any difference if they commit more crimes or less crimes, doesn't make any difference if they require more or less free health care.
But they do add to the burden that Americans have to encounter.
Why do we want to add more burdens to our society?
Bro. Curtis , you can go to Numbers U.S.A and get stats on illegal immigration.
http://www.numbersusa.com/index

 

It makes a difference to me, and I haven't taken any stance yet, but I will paruse the link. Thanx.

 

I don't think that's what it means but it may not be a bad definition, Rocko9! Come to think of it, a lot of my income is disposed of by various governments, insurance companies, etc. so I guess that does make it "disposable"!

Here are some some facts to support my thinking that people continue to do better, with respect to income, these days than previous generations:

This shows that over the last 30 years people continue to make more each decade before. This isn't by any means the whole story and I'm sure, as with all data, there are many ways it can be evaluated. It is clear that each lower 20% group hasn't faired as well as the higher groups but yet all have still done better that in the previous decade.