Concerning liberal insanity...there is hope!

Perstistant sensatory hallucinations can be a symptom of a medical problem - you might want to have that checked out.

 

Daisy,
Thanks for your kind words.

 

MP,

So, according to some of the logic displayed here, it would be fine if there was a display of verses from the Quran on display by itself at the courthouse, and that would not constitute establishment of Islam as a state endorsed religion? How about the Wiccan Rede? Or maybe some verse from the Satanic Bible posted in public school classrooms?

These would be no more an establishment of religion no more than the inscribed passages mentioned by D28guy. I believe you also confuse the terms establishment and endorsement by using them together.

 

FC,

I don't mean to derail the thread and we can take this offline (actually, I think I'll start another one), but I was disappointed to find nothing on YAF's website referencing the Sharon Statement, the founding document of YAF. Here it is:

I understand some portions of it have been OBE but it's good to have some reference to first principles.

Editing.

 

Actually I found it at www.yaf.com.

 

AGENDA: Sunday Laws Enforced - cant you see whats going on?

The Sunday Sabbath came from the Roman Catholic Church, as they freely admit. Unfortunately, many Christians just cannot see what is going on. Satan is working both polital parties to get his agenda in place for passing the Sunday laws... as prophesied in the Bible.


“Immoral” politicians clamor to get Ten Commandments removed from public display


“Moral” politicians solicit help of “Religious” leaders to get the people outraged to vote for new agenda


With the removal of the Ten Commandments and other “religious” changes in big government you now have the majority of the sheeple putting pressure in the exact areas needed so as to get the job done. This is so amazingly easy to see that I am surprised at how many can’t see it.

The government is designed perfectly so as to assure they can always get their agenda met, irregardless as to what law they want passed. Having a “two faced” structure in big government, as we see here in the USA, makes all this child’s play! One minute the Democrats can play the immoral card, and the next it’s the Republicans that are evil. It’s a win win situation! They can literally play this shell game till doomsday and the majority of the people are none the wiser!

The hypocritical stand in American politics makes it obvious as to their agenda. They do NOT want to remove image of the Roman beast (church & state) from their present structure at all, as some allege. They just want more abilities in that structure to come to fruition. They need to keep both ends of the playing field active. Fact is if they really did want to remove all aspects of religion from their actions, they would have to open their doors each and every Sunday and remove the blue laws Kennedy put in place back in 1962. But they have no intention of doing that. Prophecy is plain, the image (Rev. 13:14) must be set up, and its mark must be enforced. So they must continue on with business as usual, and they must keep their bipolar form of government intact.

In just over 2 short months on February 5th 2006 the false preachers and teachers of TBN are planning a “TEN COMMANDMENTS DAY. They are also asking all “Christians” worldwide to join them in this cause for, and I quote… “For GOD.. For COUNTRY.. … and for FAMILY!” This push to embrace Sunday the mark of the Roman Beast as a Christian Sabbath would NEVER have come to such a political position in the media had the governmental hypocrites been sitting idle by leaving the display of the Ten Commandments alone in the first place.

 

Actually if it were relevant to law and the philosophical foundation of our system of self governance... Post them.

The problem in that case would be the same as the problem we have now... not that religion was attempting influence children but rather that government had gone into the business of indoctrinating children and granted themselves and the official state religion (secular humanism/materialism) a monopoly on the ideas that can be taught at school. (The biggest difference between what you propose and what exists now is that secular humanism is more subtle in its opposition to Christianity. Satanism argues against Christianity. Humanism dismisses it without argument. Perhaps God is more angry at being dismissively ignored than being opposed?)

Our founders rightly recognized that education should be a private affair to keep government from indoctrinating then enslaving the people. They were right... and the gov't dependence of our times prove it.

The "wall" was never intended to keep religion and religious values out of government or the marketplace of ideas... much less the education of children. This is easily proven by the numerous scriptural citations on early DC buildings and in the speeches/writings of the founders.

The wall actually hasn't worked because gov't under liberal control over the past 70 to 100 years has established a state religion (humanism) and usurped the right to educate from local communities and churches. Another area where gov't has breached that "wall" is charity. The gov't's business is to protect the nation and the rights of individuals... not to assure any outcome no matter how noble it might seem. Redistribution of wealth is a morally (religiously) based endeavor and should not be done by our constitutional gov't.

The government, especially federal, has egregiously encroached on the rightful territory of religion. The decision to exclude religion from education is itself religious/philosophical in a way that violates the establishment clause. The only real solution is to go back to the structure we had before states started taking education over.

BTW, according to De Toqueville... it worked. He was amazed that literacy was so pervasive. Americans saw it as a personal responsibility to ensure education and entrusted the clergy to be the primary teachers... They did a better job compared to their contemporaries than our education professionals do today. They also instilled values based on God and truth rather than the subjective, ever shifting basis of public opinion.

 

Two pages in this thread and only three small posts from me. That's what I call being considerate. How about you Scott?