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Discussion in '2000-02 Archive' started by Don, Oct 15, 2001.

  1. Don

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    Look, I really, really hate to do this. But I feel I must.

    There are people showing up on this board that have an "agenda." They would like nothing more than for the rest of us to start thinking and believing like them. I won't mention names; some of you already know who I'm talking about. I've had private conversations with a couple of people here, and this is the only recourse I can think of to simply make people aware that there is a movement afoot.

    Paranoid? No, decidedly not. I know how these people work, and this is definitely one of their modus operandi. They've even admitted to this sort of thing in some of the posts that they've made on this board.

    I pray for discernment in ALL of us. And please forgive me if you feel I'm way off base.
     
  2. Joy

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    I understand your concern, Don. The moderators and the Webmaster have been tirelessly working on making the BB a better place for all of us. Please be in prayer for wisdom and direction for them. It is our desire that our decisions be right and fair for our members.
     
  3. Eladar

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    I, for one, don't see a problem with discussing the Biblical basis of certain beliefs. How are we to sharpen each other if we don't look at the basis of beliefs.

    If someone is trying to discredit the Bible that is one thing. Questioning human beliefs is quite another.
     
  4. Lorelei

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    I agree with Don, I am also concerned. I just don't know what to do about it.

    I do try to handle myself respectfully towards everyone, but it gets rather aggravating sometimes. I also just can NOT sit back and ignore it when I feel someone is representing false doctrines.

    Tuor, the problem isn't discussing the Biblical basis of certain beliefs, it comes when those discussing such beliefs refuse to acknowledge what the Bible says. This exact topic is why I have started all the threads trying to determine who is our brother and what exactly is Christian love.

    I know it isn't easy for the webmaster and I feel for all of you moderators. I know I have caused you some extra burdens to bear and for that I am sorry.

    I miss the board the way it used to be.

    ~Lorelei
     
  5. Eladar

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    Lorelei,

    Are Christians supposed to cloister themselves? Perhaps there needs to be a private Baptist Forum. This way the password can be given out to baptists only. It shouldn't be anymore difficult to pull off than the women's only forum.

    I really hate reading threads that I feel I have a relevent Biblical perspective on and am not able to respond to it.

    If it would make you feel anybetter, just think of me as a fudamentalist free will baptist. It seems a vast majority of my views would fall under this category.

    By the way, how many more weeks?

    [ October 15, 2001: Message edited by: Tuor ]
     
  6. Michael Wrenn

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    Tuor,

    I agree with you.

    To the rest of you, I ask: What are you afraid of? I've never seen such an insecure bunch of Baptists.
     
  7. Aaron

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    I must echo Tuor's sentiments. I thought all discussion has its basis in an attempt to influence others. That's the beauty of it.
     
  8. Don

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    Ah, but Aaron, therein lies the crux: It's not so much the "influence" of ideas that these people want to introduce, but the "indoctrination" of ideas.

    Influence means carefully considered and rejected or accepted based on that consideration.

    Indoctrination speaks of beliefs that are not to be carefully considered, and if argued against, the one arguing is obviously in error.

    In the case that I have in mind--which I still reserve the right not to mention anyone or anything in particular--my dealings with these people are for indoctrination. If you disagree with them, then you don't know the Bible. If you disagree with them, then you just might be a god-hater. If you disagree with them, you're just plain wrong.

    I see them infiltrating this board, and it worries me, simply because I know there are some who are weaker than others in their understanding, and could fall prey to incorrect biblical teaching.

    And by the way, Mike: What's got you in such a bad mood lately? I've read about 10 posts by you, and they all speak of someone who is truly angry about something.
     
  9. Dr. Bob

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    Problem is many folks come with an agenda to the BB instead of being simply a participant.

    Now some of us (guess I have about the most posts since June 2000 when this started) are more participant than some would like. And I push my theological views graciously at times. (rare times that I'm gracious, but that's another matter).

    We LOVE your ideas and suggestions. This is an ever-changing format and we may NEVER find one that is totally workable.

    But we have some that are IGNORANT or just INDIFFERENT here as well. And you know what the distinction is between them . . .

    I don't know and I don't care!
     
  10. Lorelei

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    Tuor,

    I am really not so shallow as to think that someone needs to be a Baptist to be saved! Either way, your beliefs are very similiar to mine no matter what you call yourself! I do truly respect you and I wish you could post where you wanted to, but then that creates more problems.

    Unfortunately, not everyone adheres to the Word as the final authority and if you can't agree on what you will use to settle a dispute, then it will remain unsettled forever.

    It's a tough job and I don't envy the webmaster and moderators for having to determine how to handle it.

    I just have to say this, I have been to a few other "Christian" message boards and they end up with a lot more bickering then I ever see here. There is also no other message board that has actually played a role in "changing my mind" then this one. It isn't what people are saying, it is the Word of God (in context) that does it. I have yet to find another board that holds such sound scriptural beliefs and upholds the Truth so well. This board has actually impacted my life for the positive. The other boards are nice to find out what other folks believe, but it isn't long before it becomes total chaos. That is what I don't want to see happening to this board.

    No matter what the decision of the webmaster though, I will respect it. It is not my board, it is thiers, let us not forget we can not dictate to the owner how to do things. They are nice enough to take our suggestions into consideration, but it belongs to them. This is not a "public" place, it is privately owned (If I am not mistaken).

    I will remain in prayer for all those who lead this fine message board and hope that they will find the solution that best glorifies God.

    ~Lorelei

    PS. Tuor, I am not counting weeks anymore, but days...8 more to go!! (but watch, she will be late like her daddy was! *hehe*) Thanks for asking! [​IMG]
     
  11. Chet

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    Don Very well said, and I thought this was a needed thread, especially since I know exactly who your talking about and the belief’s they want to “indoctrinate” us with. Its more than wrong, its evil. And it does leave the teachings of the Bible and goes into the realm of the terrible humanistic philosophy.

    Lorelei Said: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>I agree with Don, I am also concerned. I just don't know
    what to do about it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
    Don’t give up the fight! Keep posting those Biblical rebuttals as you are great at! And
    don’t let discouragement creep in, I know how easy that is, I should practice what I write.

    Lorelei said <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>The other boards are nice to find out what other folks believe, but it isn't long before it becomes total chaos. That is what I don't want to see happening to this board.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
    I agree with you. And I agree that this is not our board, and how gracious it is for the
    webmaster to create it and allow us to use it to express our passionate belief! And to the moderators who spend their time sorting through the chaos, and bad posters - thanks. You summed it up Lorelei, you don’t want to see that happen to this board. One day in Church we had a fairly small group sitting around the table discussion what each of us felt our passions
    were in regard to serving God. Everybody had some interesting thoughts. Mine was that
    I had a real heart for saved Christians who I wanted to protect against false doctrine. I hate false doctrine.

    Michael Wrenn <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>To the rest of you, I ask: What are you afraid of? I've never seen such an insecure bunch of Baptists. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Mr. Wrenn, do you think the great Apostle Paul was insecure? How about Peter, or
    John? For these men of God gave us Hugh warnings against letting false doctrines creep in.

    Dr. Bob Griffin <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>I don't know and I don't care! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
    Brother Bob You are so, so right! Great post. Amen.

    Chet

    [ October 17, 2001: Message edited by: Chet ]
     
  12. Joy

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    It's no wonder that those with a false view of God believe that "judging" false doctrine and calling heresy is somehow wrong or un-loving. That is also a false view of God. The only thing they want to think about God is that He is loving. (A warped view of love at that!) God is also just, holy, jealous. He hates sin, hypocrisy, apastacy, and heresy. If all you think God is, is love, then you have an unbalanced view of God.
     
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    Mr. Wrenn, do you think the great Apostle Paul was insecure? How about Peter, or
    John? For these men of God gave us Huge warnings against letting false doctrines creep in.


    I don't believe the Apostles dealt with people in a 'seperate but equal' fashion. I don't believe the Apostles wanted to create one body with many parts that have noting to do with each other. I don't believe that the Apostles ever said to shut out voices.

    They went out and showed how these people were wrong, but I don't remember the Bible saying that we should cloister ourselves and just talk to each other.

    For every actions there is a reaction, this is why we are to judge actions by their fruits. If the reaction shows the action to be wrong, then the action is wrong. Where in the Bible does it say that Christians should do things to make themselves feel better? Where in the Bible does it say that we should hurt others so that we can be happy?
     
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    Romans 16:17 Mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

    Proverbs 22:10 Cast out the scorner, and contention shall go out; yea strife and reproach shall cease.

    II Tim. 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

    Titus 3:10 A man that is a heretic after the first time and second admonition reject.

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  15. Eladar

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    Now show me the scripture that says to kick out the righteous man simply because he doesn't claim to be a Baptist.

    By their fruits they shall be known.

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  16. Joy

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    We aren't talking about righteous men or Baptists, we are talking about heresy. your argument holds no water and makes you look foolish.
     
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    Ah yes, the fruit of heresy is contention, strife, and scorn. Those verses stand Tuor. Accept them, or reject them, that is your choice, but those of us who stand for the truth of the Word of God will defend it whether you like it or not.
     
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    Ok, forgive me if I'm mistaken, I was under the impression that this whole board WAS a Baptist board?
    Somebody said "make a private thread for Baptists, like the private women's thread"?
    Baptist Board.
    And there is a place section here for non-Baptist religions.
    Is it just ME? Am I confused as to what this board is and is for? There's like a gazillion places on the net for each belief. And even a spot here for it!
    Somebody unconfuse me, please!
    Where am I? And why?
    da Gina
     
  19. Eladar

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    Perhaps we are talking about different things. And yes Gina, the title of this site is the Baptist Board.

    I guess my only confusion is that I thought 'Baptist' was synomous with 'Christian'. If this is true, then expel the immoral brother.

    Don't try to tell me the Bible says to walk the fence and sort of accept him.

    contention, strife, and scorn

    Perhaps these things have to do with both people. You can only feel this way if you are not trying to teach. You will only feel this way if you are trying to control the other person. Christians are only to teach. God is the one in control. Perhaps the scripture that says that one needs to take the log out of one's own eye is in order.

    [ October 17, 2001: Message edited by: Tuor ]
     
  20. Lorelei

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    Tuor,

    I think you both are confused on the topic. You are talking about the board being for Baptist's only and the concern that is being addressed here is not just those who are not Baptist, but those who are indeed preaching false doctrine under the "guise" of being Baptist. There is a difference.

    Those who are heretical need to be banned or at the least censored as Joy pointed out according to scripture.

    Those who are not Baptist are welcome but only in the appropriate forum.

    Baptist and Christian are not synonymous in that not all Christians are Baptist and unfortunaetly not all that claim to be Baptist are Christian (though in theory they should be :D )

    Anyway, It's like going to church on Sunday, you are welcome to visit my church and even speak up in Sunday School class and voice your beliefs, but if you are not a Baptist then you can't make decisions about the Church nor can you preach from the pulpit.

    It is a time of fellowship for those of us of like faith. The only time it becomes an issue is when someone insists that they must be able to participate and not "join" the organization. We are not saying only Baptists are Christians, we are saying only Baptists can share here because the views expressed on this board are supposed to be BAPTIST.

    Gina,

    Dear, you are not confused, they are! Don't worry, it gets to me too!!

    I hope that clarifies Tuor. It's not personal, just a preference and no where do we ever say that only Baptists are Christian. This board just happens to be for those Chrisitans who are also Baptist.

    ~Lorelei

    PS. I am feeling exceptionally well today and well the appointment at the doctor today showed some progress. I am hoping that any day soon I will disappear for a few days! *hehe*
     

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