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Where in the Bible does it say that Christians should exclude other Christians?

Christians are to love one another. I guess those who follow Apollos only want to deal with those who follow Apollos.

Truely, by their fruits they will be known. I guess I have given the warning more than twice. It is about time I shake off the dust and move on.

 

Tuor,

Don't take Joy's reference to "rejection of heretics" as being made against you. You, though not a Baptist, are engaged in good debate and witness in the Free For All forums. Keep up the great work. In fact that is the area where most of the heretics are. The biblical position Joy (Titus) mentions is supported by the Apostle Paul's and Jesus' actions. After repeated rejection by heretics, they "dusted their sandals" on the edge of that town and moved on! We are wise to learn and heed from their actions.

As a Baptist, I think it is great to have a place where issues can be discussed and debated with a Baptist doctrine "filter" applied. I am also thankful there are other forums where less "filtering" results in more broadened opinions. That is one of the things that makes Baptist Board appealing to many. But the webmaster (owner) never intended this board to be all things to ALL people.

Those who vehemently disagree with how the board is set up and functions are free to "shop" elsewhere, just like those who don't like the fact that Boy Scouts of America discriminates against non-Christian values and homosexuals are free to take their boys elsewhere.

[ October 17, 2001: Message edited by: John Wells ]

 

I agree, by their fruits they will be known.

I say by all means expell the immoral brother. If a person is teaching a herecy, which the Bible is clear about, then by their fruits they shall be known. These people are not Christian.

But simply because they attend a church that has Baptist roots, be it a church that espouses herecies or not, they are accepted with open arms to post anywhere.

It just seems to me that this board is more concerned about what it means to be a Baptist than it means to be a Christian.

I wish people would open their eyes to this and see it for what it is. We have only one Lord, and his name is not Calvin. We are one in our Lord Jesus Christ. The Bible teaches that we are to be one community! Read Ephesians and 1 Corinthians and come back and tell me I am wrong!

If we are not one in Christ, then we are many in something else. Not every belief we have grown up with is of God. By the fruit let the belief be known. Division is a sign of the flesh!

 

"Can two walk together, except they be agreed?" Amos 3:3

The obvious answer is NO!

Most people have their minds already made up. The are antagonists. It is a battle strategy: keep the enemy busy and frustrated. I think there is a time when certain people should be asked to move on. If there is a problem with someone on a continuous basis, a moderator should be alerted to monitor that persons posts for a while. When the monitor determines that the person is indeed an antagonist, they should be asked to leave. If they don't...delete them...and don't feel bad about it. I believe Jesus would. God deleted entire cities! God bless. I am enjoying the encouragement I get from the BB. Bro. Don...I also suggest you visit other areas of the BB to get some R & R. Well, I hope I helped someone. God bless you all.
-Ron P.

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Now show me the scripture that says to kick out the righteous man simply because he doesn't claim to be a Baptist. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No one said to kick out people because they are not Baptist. The thread is about people who come to this board with the sole purpose of causing discord and others to lead people into false doctrine. From these we should turn away from after we have warned them and they don't adhere.
I can go to the Other Religions / Non-Baptist Doctrines fourms and fellowship with other christians that are nor baptist, many of which I do not agree with, but if they are saved by the blood of Christ we can still have fellowship and possibly even learn something from each other.
I don't say get rid of the catholics, because they believe many things that just aren't biblical, because many of them are saved by the blood, though thier doctrine may be mixed up. But I sure don't want to come to a board where the whole thing is open for anyone of different faiths to post anywhere. We would be spending to much time defending our faith than we would be dissgussing the essence of our own faith. Which I know differs here and there, but I don't have to defend why I don't pray to Mary or the saints or defend why I don't believe that the wine and bread have actually become the blood and flesh of my Lord Jesus Christ, bringing Him back to the cross time and time angain for salvation, bringing Him to an open shame.
Now if I had to defend some of these things on every fourm that I went on, then this would not be a very good place for me to come and to share and to learn, now would it?


God speed.

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tuor:
Where in the Bible does it say that Christians should exclude other Christians?

Christians are to love one another. I guess those who follow Apollos only want to deal with those who follow Apollos.

Truely, by their fruits they will be known. I guess I have given the warning more than twice. It is about time I shake off the dust and move on.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dear Bro.,
Please understand how I mean this. Think it through before you react. What you just said in this post is hypocritical. That simply means that to "shake off the dust and move on" would be in extreme contradiction to what you have been preaching to everyone else here. You say we should deal patiently with these people even though our patience is wearing thin. Then, in frustration at everyone else, you say that maybe you should move on. Now maybe you understand a little how Bro. Don feels. He has been in battle. He has faught hard and long and is more than a little frustrated. Here is an idea...why don't you encourage him as a brother and fellow soldier. Why don't you back him up as he fights. If you are born again, you are also a soldier of Christ and you should fight like one. We are not, I hope, attacking these people...we are attacking their sin and the influence that satan has over them. The Word of God is quick and powerful and yes, they will get "cut" in the process. However, it will be good for them in the long run. I love you as a fellow brother in Christ and want to ask you to stick around and let's go to battle together. It will not be pleasant though. However, the victory is worth the fight. God bless you brother,

Because HE Lives,
-Ron P.

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tuor:
Division is a sign of the flesh!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not always:

"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword." Matt. 10:34

 

Mt. 7:13&14

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadath to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: (14) Because strait is the gate, and and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

I know that this is only one scripture but it would seem that not going with the crowd can be a good thing.

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mission2mexico:


Not always:

"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword." Matt. 10:34<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>There is a difference between division between the saved and unsaved, thoughs who desire to do God's will and thoughs who want to do their own will.

Christians ought not devour each other. Christians will be known by their fruits, not by which denomination the church they attend is affiliated to.

 

Christians ought not devour each other. Christians will be known by their fruits, not by which denomination the church they attend is affiliated to.[/QB][/QUOTE]

Don in your original post you spoke of those who have an agenda. The above is a good point and should be addressed. Are you concerned for the salvation of the ones you are reffering to? My understanding is that we do interact with Christians differently that the lost. So the other guys profession of Faith or not would have some bearing.

 

Brian,

I believe the difference in how we deal with people does have to do with their profession of faith. It doesn't mean that someone is a Christian just because they say they are. It does mean that people who claim to be Christians but are not should be shunned. This is not to make their lives terrible just because. This is so that they might see the error of their ways and repent.

 

You don't want to name names, but I get the feeling that pro-evolution moderates like myself and pro-gay liberals like Rev. Villines are to be included in the list of those teaching so-called "heresies" that also are Baptists...

Why not start two new forums: 1) Conservative/Inerrantist Baptists and 2) Moderate/Liberal Baptists? Only those who ascribe to inerrancy would be allowed to post to (1) and those who deny it can post to (2).

You could even name forum #(2) "Baptists whose salvation is in jeopardy" so there wouldn't be any doubt about which forum is the home of the "real" Baptists...(JK!)

 

I have a question? How many "warnings" do people get for name calling, personal flames, and just out and out back biting? To tell you the truth I'm getting very tired of being called names and recieving tongue lashings that not even my HUSBAND would give me. So If they keep happening, I will have to remove myself from the board. I'm getting tired of rude men talking to me any way they see fit.

Paula

 

I have been attacked for my stance on the KJV, for my stance on music, & also for ****** things I have said. I deserve some of it, but I can't smile & ignore blatant error. I will take the chance of someone getting mad at me to put my two cents in. There are legitiment discussions..& there is obvious heresy. For instance, if someone wants to tell me what Jesus might have looked like, color skin, type of hair...etc, I'm willing to hear him/her out. But if someone wants to tell me Jesus was the bastard son of a German soldier.....I'm not willing to hear anything more. I wonder why atheists would bother to post on "our" site. But you can see what it does to us. The difference is they laugh at the division it causes us, & we weep bitter tears when we think of their eternity.

 

Don....
When I see statements like that, I'm glad you talked me into staying here.

 

My point is, there are some people on the board that CAN'T leave a debate to an issue. If they can't back up their thoughts with fact, they then resort to calling names, personal insults and the such. I would like to know, how many times does someone get warned about this before they are invited not to post any longer. The rules state that name calling and insults are not game here. Anyone have an answer?

Pauloa

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Don:
And in the meantime, the atheists are watching, and saying to each other, "Our work is done."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wait a second here! I thought this was a thread on people being disrespectful. The majority of posting atheists here are not here to cause chaos. Granted, they exist, just as John Paul and Phillip exist as disrespectful Christians that seem less interested in conversation and more in creating conflict. I and any other respectable atheist, NO THAT IS NOT AN OXYMORON, am and would be greatly offended by that accusation.

[ November 16, 2001: Message edited by: Jimmy Higgins ]