The Conditional electionist refuses to believe God's estimation of all men as foreseen by God in Psalms 14:2-3: Psa. 14:2 The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. 3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one. This is no doubt the description of the wicked but Paul quotes it and applies it to ALL GENTILES and ALL JEWS (Rom. 3:9-12) and his conclusion is that it has reference to "EVERY MOUTH" and "ALL THE WORLD" so that "NO FLESH" escapes this judgement. 10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: 11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. 12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.....19 ¶ Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. David and Paul have God looking down to see if there are any that will seek after God and they find NONE whereas conditional electionists have God looking down to see and they find MULTITUDES that "seek" God and "understand" God. Paul has God choosing them "TO" salvation and belief of the truth (2 Thes. 2:13) but the conditional electionist has God choosing them BECAUSE OF belief of the truth. But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: Paul has God choosing them before the world began so that they "SHOULD BE HOLY" but conditional electionists have God choosing them before the world began BECAUSE OF some foreseen holiness/goodness seen in them not seen in others. Eph. 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Paul has God choosing them before the foundation of the world NOT BASED UPON ANY Post-birth good or bad actions but conditional electionists have God choosing them before the foundation of the world due to foreseen "good" post-birth actions: Rom. 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil,[/U] that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth Paul has only as many as were ordained to eternal life believing the gospel but the conditional electionist has as many as believed being ordained to eternal life: Acts 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed. The conditional electionist must REVERSE the order of every cause and consequence listed in the above verses.