Confederate battle flag angers many at California high school!?

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  1. righteousdude2

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    http://www.sbsun.com/social-affairs...isplay-of-confederate-flags-in-lake-arrowhead

    It appears that some Lake Arrowhead high school kids have decided to push the envelope on the Battle Flag of the Confederacy, and it will be interesting to see if their right to display this flag from the back of their pick-up trucks survives the ruffled feathers of the few?!

    Personally, I see nothing wrong with this flag, and how they are using it on their own private vehicles! If it offends someone, or a group of someone's ... oh, well! Too bad, so sad: just give them time and space to get GLAD! I for one am offended every time I see a Mexican flag waved at a protest, or hung in front of a home in my neighborhood, but the last thing I'd do is attempt to deny that persons right to display their nation of origin's flag!

    The problem in American today is simple to diagnose! People feel so entitled today, that they think the rest of the world is their footstool to rest their legs on following a busy day!

    We have become a nation of selfish, backbiting, single-minded, entitled, spoiled brats! It is time for the young folks who want safe zones at their universities ... to JUST grow up! People way too easily offended in this country! At the school board meeting on September 1st, former State Assemblyman Tim Donnelly said, "while the Confederate flags — long a symbol of racism and hatred to some and patriotism to others — have triggered ire with some students and parents, “The right to not be offended does not exist in our Constitution.” http://www.pe.com/articles/school-812738-confederate-students.html

    Do you agree with Mr. Donnelly, that The right to not be offended does not exist in our Constitution.”
     
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    I agree with Mr. Donnelly that the right to not be offended is absent from our Constitution. But I also agree with Paul in that we should live our lives, in context of being a holy people, so as not to offend. Before an offended look should even begin to give expression to word I would hope that I could part with such trinkets that are of no eternal value. And I hope that I could part with them in such a way as they don't even begin to form a barrier between Christ in my life and the much too easily offended world.
     
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    The so-called "Rebel" flag annoys me to no end. I roll my eyes every time I see one (which is frequent here in Arkansas), but I would never deny the right of those individuals to fly that flag.

    They have the right to fly it, and I have the right to be annoyed by their flying it. I don't have the right (or the desire) to vandalize their property, just as they don't have the right to vandalize mine.

    Free speech is protected, period.

    I would think the same should apply in the case mentioned above.
     
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    Personally, I am not offended by the flying of the Confederate standard. However, I do not like it. To me, it does not symbolize racism, but rebellion and disunification (according to spell check, that's not a real word).

    I understand the origins, and how it stood for state's rights and freedom. But today the meaning has changed. You'll often see it displayed alongside the phrase, "The south will rise again". This is nothing but a (nonintentional - wow, another "non word") malcontent viewpoint on the union of the states. It's meant as a statement of pride, but if we look at what's actually being said, it promotes secession and discontent.

    So, while I am not offended by it, I don't like it.

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    I like all of your points! Thanks guys for sharing!
     
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    First, if they want to actually get rid of those things that once represented slavery and racism they would have to end the Democrat party. That party was the driving force behind both.

    Second, while I do not have a Confederate flag what I do know and understand is that it does not represent disunification. It does represent states rights at its core and in that I celebrate it. When your goal is to take over many of states rights then symbols like the Confederate flag must be eliminated in order to condition the public to allow it.

    The issue over the confederate flag is a recent event. It really began just after the North Carolina shooting. The whole BLM, get rid of the Confederate flag thing is just a political agenda to nationalize local police departments.
     
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    The issue has consistently crept up. When I lived in Georgia it comprised a portion of the state flag (and although I don't like it because to me it represented much of my childhood, it was appropriately changed to suit its citizens as a whole).
     
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    RD2, please remember California was a Union state back in the day. In fact, the "California Column" pushed the Confederate Army out of Arizona and New Mexico. It ended up its march across the southwest in the El Paso area. So, the battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia does not represent California's "heritage" except as an enemy flag.
     
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    And using your logic they would now have to get rid of the GOP as they are the party that now embraces racism and continually attempts to disenfranchise African American voters.
     
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    It was the battle flag of an army fighting the United States Army. If that's not showing a lack of unity, I'm not sure what would be required to meet the standard.

    We could have the states' rights discussion ad nauseum, but that wouldn't change the flag's nature. Its very beginning was in the context of secession and war.

    A person isn't legally required to pursue unity, so it's a matter of preference anyway. That being said, the flag cannot be separated from its origins as a flag of disunity. Certainly it united the Army of Northern Virginia, but it united them against United States Army.
     
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    Sigh, the reason for that was the imposition on states rights.
     
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    States' rights.....to own slaves. (See South Carolina's official document of secession.)
     
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    Ok well that has no bearing on what we are talking about here. The reason for the battle over states rights is not relevant to what the flag stood for. Further, no one today is flying the flag to push for slavery. Either way this is off topic from what I was talking about. The push has nothing to do with slavery,or racism. It is about conditioning Americans to except nationalization of police departments.
     
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    But on what basis do you make that assertion? I'm not sure the Confederate flag is in the same realm as some of the other things like BLM. They can be related, sure, but they don't have to be.

    For instance, I personally don't think a state should fly a Confederate flag (like SC did)---except for perhaps in a museum or historical site, but I believe the state has the right to make that decision. In SC, bipartisan support brought the flag down. BLM doesn't have that kind of backing.

    Privately, I don't think anyone should have their right to fly the flag specifically restricted (except for times when general restrictions on flags are in place--like HOAs). Personally, I don't like the flag, and I wouldn't display one outside of some historical display.

    For BLM, I don't oppose the movement in theory, but I oppose a lot of what they do in practice. I also think some of the reasons for BLM's existence are questionable.

    I also support police officers, the VAST majority of whom are doing their jobs honorably.

    I don't think that these factors lead to an acceptance of nationalized police.
     
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    BLM is financed and an engineered product of George Soros. Hardly a word was ever said before the Carolina shooting, about that flag. It is a recent occurance. BLM is now saying that climate change is racist and it is on that grounding that we must do something about what is nothing more than a political agenda. They are working to tie everything they can to racism so as to gain some traction what what they cannot do otherwise. Further, Obama admin is pushing for the nationalization of local police as the UN is now in support of that. The BLM and its agenda is nothing but a lie, a fabrication, it has no grounding in truth.
     
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    Like I support Colin Kaepernick's right to not stand for the anthem, I support their right to fly their stupid racist representing banner flag. The caveat would be that like so many other things, you're not allowed to do so on school property or at school events. That seems to be the tact that many school districts have taken with tshirts and any other type dress that might "disrupt" the operation of the school.
     
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    You are VERY confused. All one has to do is go back to early 2000 to see a hubbub over that flag.

    It might be a recent occurrence for you and uniformed people. But folks have been fighting to have that flag taken down for years.

    Cutting off the nose to spite your face. We got to this point because certain folks refuse to acknowledge the systemic racism in policing across the country. Now all that sticking of heads in the ground is leading to a push for nationalization.

    Oh well.
     
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    You're spot on here. That flag has been a thorn in the side for many years.
     
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    Any yeahoo can assert what you just did. In fact I can say that Burger King nows sells hot dogs, but if I can't back that up, it is nothing more than "blah, blah blah!" So, ctb, here's my proof - https://www.bk.com/menu/hot-dogs

    Now, put up, or shut up! Show me da money!
     
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    Burn.
     

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