To whom it may concern: I presently have a student who will be finishing his Master's degree under me. I cannot/will not tell much of whom or where he is ministering for obvious reasons. However, I can and am willing to comment on the program at CES et al, amount of work required, work rigor, etc. Let me hear from you. I hope my own credibility will help sell the program. I open myself up to this as polemic and apologetic for CES and its program of study. I will be watching the BB and will be happy to take on all reasonably questions and comments. Having said that, I request that you "Be nice!" :smilewinkgrin: Here is the web page: http://www.columbiaseminary.org/ "That is all!"