Confessions of A former pentacostal elder!

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  1. Yeshua1

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    was saved by the lord jesus while attending FSU, and started my spiritual journey in local AoG church..

    Aftwrwards, went and got schooled in their own school of bibical learning...

    Was an Elder there over 10 yeras, prophesied/tongued, twice had prophecies come true to the letter,,,

    had more tongues/prophesy than ANY posting here during that time BUT...

    NEVER could get into like others in my church copeland/hagin/Hinn and the gang, in fact did not see them as teaching AT ALL from the bible...

    Started to get really bothered by why we held that tongues were the/only sign of baptism in HS, and why we had the 'full Gospel" and others didn't...

    had a friend of mine convert to being a Baptist, and he gave me book by DavidHunt, seduction of Chrsitianity, from there read another Gospel, charasmatic chaos, and all the time, the HS was opennigng my eyes to what really goes on in most mdern charasmatic churches/groups!

    Finally, had to repent and renounce all that stuff as being emotionalism, over thinking etc, as had to to come to terms witht he truth that the bible does NOT teach a baptism in HS after salvation, nor tongues/gifts to heal/miracles today...

    Left on good terms with my pastor andAoG members, went to Free Church, now attending a Baptist church...

    Went from Arminian to Dispy calvinist, or as Fr MacArthur calls us "leaky Dispy!"

    So DO know what i say about charasmatic movement true, first hand experiences and insight...

    just wanted others here to know this, in order that some might do as i did and come out to embrace true Christianity and really move of the HS, or at least NOT get into heresies like word of faith/name it claim it etc!
     
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    I cannot help but see that, in your thinking, you have mixed some truth with some error.
    IMO, your experience with tongues and prophecy was true.
    More truth ... realizing the falseness of some famous Charismatics.

    But, IMO, Satan talked you out of your genuine spiritual experiences.
    He deceived you into believing they were not real and true and from God.
    He had you focus on MAN instead of on GOD and your genuine experiences.

    The NT simply describes the events of the NT churches.
    It does not teach that the baptism and the gifts were to continue after the apostles,
    nor does it teach that they have ceased.

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  3. Thomas Helwys

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    Thank you for your testimony. In my opinion, you went from one error into another, and I'm not sure which is the worst. :)
     
  4. steaver

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    Kinda puzzled here, you had tongue prophecies come true, but now you don't believe in tongues and prophecy but believe they were??? False? From the devil?
     
  5. awaken

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    That was my observation too! :thumbsup:
     
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    The SDAs really do not have a legitimate origin, as this summary shows. How could any Christian that understands the Bible be so stupid as to join this cult:

    The Seventh Day Adventists trace their roots back to a Baptist Preacher named William Miller who had prophesized the Second Coming would occur between 3/21/1843 and 3/21/1884. When Christ didn’t come, he didn’t give up -- he changed it to 10/22/1884. When Jesus failed to make an appearance again, he foreswroe his own prophesizing, stated that Jesus had actually appeared in the Temple in Heaven (instead of on Earth) and cleaned that up. He and his followers broke up into a bunch of competing groups, and he rejected their doctrine, including those of Ellen Gould White.
    Enter Joseph Bates -- who in 1846 and 1849 issued pamphlets insisting Christians observe the Jewish Sabbath Day, instead of the Christian Sabbath of Sunday. Mark 16:9 Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons. Act 20:7 On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul {began} talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight.
    These two streams of thought—Christ entering the heavenly sanctuary and the need to keep the Jewish Sabbath—were combined by White, who claimed to have received many visions confirming these doctrines. Together with Edson and Bates, she formed the S.D.A. denomination, which officially received its name in 1860.

    White claimed to receive the first of several hundred visions in Dec. of 1844. She gained recognition in Adventist circles as a prophetess and became the church’s leader. Over the next few decades, she provided guidance on almost every aspect of belief and worship, writing over 50 books commenting on health, education, finance, etc. Her works are held by her followers to be inerrant on matters of doctrine, as is the Bible, though they are on a slightly lower plane of honor than the Bible.

    The S.D.A agree with many Catholic doctrines, including the Trinity. Unfortunately, they also hold many false and strange doctrines. Among these are the following:
    (a) the Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon;
    (b) the pope is the Antichrist;
    (c) in the last days, Sunday worship will be "the mark of the beast";
    (d) there is a future millennium in which the devil will roam the earth while Christians are with Christ in heaven;
    (e) the soul sleeps between death and resurrection; and
    (f) on the last day, after a limited period of punishment in hell, the wicked will be annihilated and cease to exist rather than be eternally damned.

    Anti-Catholicism characterizes the denomination because it is embraced in White’s "divinely inspired" writings. According to her, the papacy is the seven-headed beast from the sea in Revelation 13:1–10. Accompanying this beast is a lamb-like beast from the earth (Rev. 13:11–18). The latter causes the world to worship the former and has an image made of it. White proclaimed that the second beast is the U.S.A. (The Great Controversy, 387–8), and that it will force people to worship the papacy by "enforcing some observance which shall be an act of homage to the papacy" (ibid., 389). This observance, she says, is Sun. worship rather than Sat.. In her view, there will come a time when the U.S. will establish a "national Sunday law" and compel its citizens to worship on Sun. and thus take the mark of the beast. It will not compel them to become Catholics, but to join a Protestant state-church that is an "image" of the papacy, and thus, "the image of the beast" (ibid., 382–96).

    S.D.A. cannot change its views on the Catholic Church being the Whore of Babylon without admitting that it was wrong on Sunday worship. It cannot admit that Sunday worship is not the mark of the beast without changing its views on the Jewish Sabbath. S.D.A. cannot cease to be anti-Catholic without ceasing to be Seventh-Day Adventism.

    So all in all, the S.D.A. are both ontologically and theologically Christians. They are also “cult-like” in their paranoia of the Catholic Church, the papacy, and the USA’s role in the Mark of the Beast. They have launched such fringe cults as the Branch Dividians. Theirs is a doctrine of hatred and bigotry, all inspired by a sickly woman who supposedly had “divinely inspired” visions. Over 2000 of them.
     
  7. Wherever You Go

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    Uh. . . .
    SN, nobody was talking about SDA's or Catholics on this thread.

    Until you started.

    :laugh:
     
  8. Yeshua1

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    Had what I consider 2 things happen in 10+ years of doing all that stuff that seemed to be from God, but 99% of what happened was all emotionalism, in the flesh, etc...

    MUCH surer ground now, as fully upon the Bible only, and the infilling and daily empowering of the HS!

    NO tongues/prophecies in 15 years, thank God!
     
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    Just so much better to be actually now walking with the HS, and having the Bible fully as my guide/text book, and not fllowing so called revelations!
     
  10. steaver

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    Ok, :thumbsup:

    I'm not convinced tongues or prophecy never ever happens, for God works at His will for His purposes and glory, and I don't see the scriptures declaring it has absolutely ended, however, I don't agree with this being embraced as a movement or as a center piece of a church. I don't agree with preachers/teachers pushing it as though it is a gift available for everyone. I see it as if happening, it is an exception rather than a rule.
     
  11. Yeshua1

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    Would agree with you that once in a while God can choose to do something "unusually", but that is Him doing that, not someone with a gift to heal/do miracles, and NO prophets speaking today "thus sayith the Lord!"
     
  12. Wherever You Go

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    I'm definitely not an expert on this subject. I suspect that if God gives a gift of tongues today, it is on an urgent, crisis basis. And it involves one person speaking to another in the other person's language. That is to say, Person A normally can only speak Language A, and Person B can normally only speak Language B. And in a time of urgent need, Person A might speak to Person B and they might communicate with each other, but neither of them realizes that he/she is being heard in a different language than they normally speak.

    I know one person who claims that happened to her in a time of crisis in a foreign country. When she met the person a second time, they could not understand each other, and had to use a translator. I can not verify that this actually happened, just that she claims it happened. I have no particular reason to doubt her, as she is a generally dependable Christian person who is not predisposed to be theatrical.
     
  13. steaver

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    I also heard a reputable testimony in where this Christian was given the gift of another language in a crises situation, however, this person actually knew what he was saying and retained the language to this day. I recall this from memory, I don't have a reference at this time, but I might search it out if I get time. Maybe it can be found on the net.
     
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    That's about what I believe, too.
     
  15. Yeshua1

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    There is NO second act of grace they call the 'baptism in the HG", no tingues/prophecy that are ongoing revelations, no current prophets/Apostles...


    God might still in a rare exception to the norm do something unusually that give a dream/vision, or something, but NOT because of any "charasmatic manifestation!"
     
  16. Wherever You Go

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    I agree, Yeshua1.
     
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    the ONLY one that I keep reading, from trusted sources. is that the lord seems to be sending into muslim nations dreams/visions of jesus, to prepare them for His message to be coming among them soon...
     
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    If that's happening, then it's awesome. May it be so.
     
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    Either the Scriptures are the basis for defining the gift of tongues or it is personal opinions and observations. If the Scriptures are the basis then the gift of tongues are known languages (Acts 2:6-11) used in evangelism to the Jews (1 Cor. 14:20-22) and were temporary in nature (1 Cor. 13:8-10).

    What we have today is the common ancient but paganistic esctatic utterances and demonic counterfits (2 Thes. 2:9; Mt. 24:24-25).
     
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    Wew can test the spirits behind much of modern charasmatic teachings/doctrines, and since much of that denies/distorts the Gospel, natures of God and man, NOT of the HS!
     

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