Confusion/Division At BJU

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  1. Gregory Perry Sr.

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    :tear: I'm kinda surprised the following news hasn't made it on here yet but I'm posting (two) Greenville(SC) News articles from today. Bob Jones III has come out in public in support of Mormon Presidential candidate Mitt Romney. Check out the following:


    Bob Jones III: Clinton lacks religion
    "This is all about beating Hillary," university chancellor says

    Published: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 2:00 am
    Updated: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 11:14 am


    By Ron Barnett
    STAFF WRITER
    [email protected]


    Dr. Bob Jones III, chancellor of the fundamentalist Christian university that bears his name, is looking past his religious differences with Gov. Mitt Romney and endorsing the Mormon for the Republican nomination for president, he told The Greenville News today.
    "This is all about beating Hillary," Jones said. "And I just believe that this man has the credentials both personally and ideologically in terms of his view about what American government should be to best represent the rank and file of conservative Americans.
    "If it turns out to be Guiliani and Hillary, we?ve got two pro- choice candidates, and that would be a disaster." Asked whether Romney?s religion was a stumbling block for him, Jones replied, "What is the alternative, Hillary?s lack of religion or an erroneous religion?
    [​IMG] "As a Christian I am completely opposed to the doctrines of Mormonism," he said. "But I?m not voting for a preacher. I?m voting for a president. It boils down to who can best represent conservative American beliefs, not religious beliefs."

    State Sen. Robert Ford, a key Clinton supporter in the South Carolina campaign, took issue with Jones? remark about Clinton?s purported "lack of religion."

    "As far as religion is concerned, based on the teaching and principles of Jesus Christ, Hillary runs circles around Bob Jones anytime," Ford said, calling the former First Lady "a proud member of the United Methodist Church" and active member of the denomination?s women?s missionary organization.

    "United Methodists don?t wear their religion on their shoulders. We wear our religion in our hearts, in service," he added. "We believe that faith without works is dead, and Hillary Clinton has been practicing that all her life."

    Jones, and the institution founded by his grandfather, have been political lightning rods in several recent presidential campaigns.

    During the 2000 primary, then-Gov. George W. Bush drew heat after visiting the university, which at that time banned interracial dating. Jones soon dropped the ban, saying it wasn?t important enough to be worth the controversy.

    Terry Sullivan, Romney?s South Carolina campaign manager, said he doesn?t think Jones? endorsement will turn off voters who may be wary of Jones? religious views.

    "We?re proud to have the support of Dr. Jones and look forward to his help in delivering Gov. Romney?s conservative message to the voters," he said.

    Clemson University political scientist and GOP consultant Dave Woodard said Jones? endorsement should be only positive as far as its impact on Romney?s chances in the South Carolina primary, one of the earliest in the nation.

    "There may be a downside with the general voters or with Democrats. Independents may see it as a downside," he said. "But I think, among Republican primary voters it can only be good, because it shows that a conservative Christian can endorse a guy like this for his policy positions."

    Some religious conservatives were quick to denounce Jones? endorsement.

    "As Christians we should not endorse a cult member as our president," Wayne Owens Sr., a self-described rank-and-file conservative Christian said in an e-mail to The News. "Bob Jones? basic premise is in error. It is not about beating Hillary. It?s about doing what is right."

    Tamara Valdes-Russell, a 1997 BJU graduate, said she is "disgusted" with Jones? supporting Romney.

    "Fear of Hillary Clinton should not be the driving force for whom we choose to support in an election," she said in an e-mail to The News. "?In the end, whether Hillary wins or someone else, God is ultimately in control of the situation. I refuse to lower my standards to the lowest common denominator."

    Jones, who said he has met with Romney several times over the past few months, said he is sticking to his belief that the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints isn?t a Christian denomination, but he believes Romney?s character is above reproach.

    "He?s a very presidential guy. He has a loving family. He has, as far as I can tell, no scandal connected with his life. I can?t say that about all of the candidates unfortunately," Jones said.

    "I?d be very concerned if he tried to make it appear in any of his statements that Mormonism is a Christian denomination of some sort. It isn?t. There?s a theological gulf that can?t be bridged," Jones said.

    "But as long as he says I am what I am and you are what you are and doesn?t try to make it appear that we believe the same things, I can respect the difference."

    Bob Jones III: Clinton lacks religion
    "This is all about beating Hillary," university chancellor says

    Published: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 2:00 am
    Updated: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 11:14 am


    That was the first article that was top-dead center on the FRONT Page of the Greenville Paper Wednesday Morning. I'll do a cut and paste on the second and latest one next.

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    Here's the most recent article from the GVL News online

    BJU distances itself from chancellor's Romney support

    Published: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 12:06 pm
    Updated: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 8:05 pm


    NEWS STAFF


    Bob Jones University released a statement this morning saying the fundamentalist Christian school "has never officially endorsed political candidates and that policy has not changed."
    The statement says that when Dr. Bob Jones III on Tuesday endorsed Gov. Mitt Romney for president he was speaking personally.
    "As private citizens, we all have the privilege and responsibility to examine the options and come to a choice of conscience," the statement says. His statement reflects his views as a private citizen and "not the view of Bob Jones University as an organization," the statement says.



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    The Only Logical Answer for the USA

    Two Words.....Ron Paul.........but the media will never give him the time of day. Maybe we'll be blessed and hear a trumpet blow before all this stuff becomes an issue!

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    Oh, Bob Jones! Never mind.
     
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    Mike Huckabee is a former SBC pastor and a terrific stateman. He's not getting the support he should b/c of politcs. We, the Church, aren't called to politics but to stand for truth in the midst of our culture.
     
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    Endorsing Flip Romney, eh? Now that's taking a stand for old fashion values! Or in Flip's case, ten month old values.
     
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    Glen Beck will not call - again. Glenn has tried several times to get Ron Paul on his national syndicated show - the 5th most popular radio show in the US. OK, now that excuse doesn't hold water ...
     
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    Gregory Perry Sr, the headline of this thread is "Confusion/Division at BJU". Having read the articles you posted I don't understand the headline you used. What is the confusion or the division at BJU. I don't see any evidence of this in the articles.
     
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    About That Headline...

    swaimj.....while you may not see any confusion,etc.,in the articles I can assure you that here in Greenville there are a lot of folk scratching their heads and rolling their eyes wondering just what Dr.Bob was thinking. I spoke to a few BJ students at an ARBY's I had lunch at today and the general reaction I noted from them was one of embarrassment over the whole thing. I think we'll see more of that on the way.Check out this article by Pastor Chuck Baldwin of Pensacola Fla.

    http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin408.htm

    It will give you some more perspective on this issue. Mitt Romney is nothing more than another wolf in sheeps clothing.

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    Greg,
    There are thousands of people at BJU. One of the traditional complaints about the school is that it produces people who cannot think for themselves but buy into the school's line. Now we have an instance in which people at the institution are voicing opinions and disagreeing with one another. I say Hallelujah to that! Truth is there have been disagreements like this inside the school for years; now people feel the freedom to state their opinion in public.

    There is no "right or wrong" answer as to whether Christians should support Mitt Romney. Currently, he is taking the correct positions. In the past he has not. IMHO, any of the front-running candidates are going to do for the pro-life movement what the last three pro-life presidents have done: pay it lip-service, appoint conservative judges, and no more. In Guliani's case, he will not pay it lip-service, but will appoint conservative judges making his actions roughly equivalent to the last three pro-life prezzes. So, my only disagreement with BJIII is that I think Guliani probably has a better chance of defeating Hillary than Romney does. But, I'm not certain of that, so I respect BJIII' opinion.
     
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    swaimj..... Interesting concept
     

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