Congressional scorecard

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Salty, Dec 31, 2012.

  1. Salty

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  2. Mexdeaf

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    If it isn't an F-- grade for all Congressional leadership then it's biased.
     
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    Oh now, you only feel that way because you aren't a private central banker or CEO of a huge transnational corporation.

    If you were you'd be giving congress a A++
     
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    No I feel that way because that's the grade they deserve. And our President, well, let's just say he is at the very best UNIMPRESSIVE as a leader. Someone needs to send him some leadership books to read.
     
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    How dare you question "the one".
     
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    They act as if they have already read one of if not the greatest books on leadership ever written by man. Machiavelli's Prince. Have you read it?

    To say that our leaders are failures is understandable. From our point of view they are failures because they have failed us. But they haven't failed the people they serve.

    Quite the opposite. They have handed the private banks and mega transnational corporations our national wealth and freedom on a golden platter all with our consent.

    In that respect they have done a great job overall.

    And now that all that is done they are coming after our guns so when we do figure out what a great job they have done for who they really serve we will have no way to take back what they have stolen.

    Machiavelli would give them a A++
     
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    You are right, my friend, poncho.
     
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    Congress is a pathetic institution. Reid, McConnell, and Pelosi are a disgrace. However, it has nothing to do with international bankers, corporations, ghost governments, the military-industrial complex, UFOs, aliens, time warps, or black helocopters. It has to do with the inability of the present Congress to govern this nation. It has to do with a collection of self serving politicians that have no interest in the Constitution or serving the American people. As long as we keep reelecting the same Congress back to office, we are going to get the same results.
     
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    Ever wonder why we get the same results?

    SN, I don't know all the specifics of Poncho's posts. Nor how much he may believe in some of the sci-fi that you mentioned. However, there is much truth in his premise that this current situation didn't happen by accident. This past century is littered with efforts to transform this country from a republic to whatever we want to call this mess today.

    Why can't the present Congress govern this nation?

    What has rendered them ineffective? When and how did the Congress turn over their responsibility to govern this land to the Whitehouse? When and how did the Whitehouse obtain the freedom to insult the justices of the Supreme Court, on the floor of Congress, without serious condemnation?

    My friend, regardless of whether it was bankers, corporations, or God, Himself, it has happened. Congress no longer has the ability, the capability, to govern this land as was intended by our founding fathers. :tear:

    Now, we are getting the "rest of the story", as Paul Harvey used to say.

    May God have mercy on us all. In the end, His will, will rule the land, regardless of who has appointed himself, herself, themselves "king", today.

    That's the "rest of the story".
     
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    As some background, I do watch the SyFy Channel from time to time. For example, today there is a Twilight Zone marathon on. I consider Rod Serling one of the most brilliant writers in this area of the century. However, the name is science FICTION. It is entertainment.

    So the central question becomes, why is the Congress, and the President, inept to the point of being so unable to govern, that the terms liberal and conservative are rendered meaningless?

    I am not going to mention poster names, but some have blamed international bankers, corporations, ghost governments, space aliens, black helocopters, the military-industrial complex, Wall Street, and who knows, maybe the ghost of Elvis Presley.

    It is time to stop the nonsense and put the blame for the ineptitude of Congress right where it lies, on the character of the individual members of Congress. (and in this case, the President of the United States, along with his goofy VP) Each member of Congress (House and Senate) is paid well to govern this nation is a common sense and Constitutional manner. They get millions in tax dollars for a staff. Congressmen used to have a similance of integrity, wanting to serve, and believed in the Constitution. The prevailing character of Congress in 2013 is a group of self serving thieves. They do not know what the word intergrity or Constitutionality means. They accept bribes at the drop of a hat. They are drunk on political power. There is no willingness to serve, no integrity, to belief in morality. They are probably a collection of the lowest form humanity in the history of mankind.

    So who is to blame????? We as a people rate the Congress at 17%. Yet, we as a people returned 95% of the slobs to office. Do you want to see the problem quite clearly? Look in the mirror.

    Now, as far as the international bankers, corporations, and green men, if there is an involvement, it is because the President and Congress created a vacuum in leadership and power, and these entities moved right in. DO NOT sit around a computer, do nothing, and blame post after post the international corporation green men bankers. We elected the Congress. We are a lazy people and do nothing. We elect the same people and expect a different result.

    Here is an excellent example, and it points out the leadership of Congress. The two Senators from my state, Mitch McConnell and Rand Paul, are both Republican and have nothing in common. Mitch McConnell is a typical politican, a RINO, and a big government spender. He would sell his soul to the devil for his political hyde. (like he just did with the VP) He opposed the election of Rand Paul. Rand Paul won the primary and the general election. Mitch McConnell is a disgrace to the Constitution. He is up for election in 2014, and as truthfulness is my witness, I will vote against him in the primary and general election, and get anyone I can to between now and then to do the same.

    When serving from the late 60s until the late 70s, my job was to uphold and defend the Constitution. It makes no difference where I was, what I did, or what I experienced, the fact is I did the job. These slobs do not.

    Those who are promoting these fantasy theories about why Congress is inept, never served, never sacrificed, or did any other thing for freedom and liberty. They sit at a computer and type.
     
  11. poncho

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    I don't believe in all the "sci-fi" stuff Oldtimer. But, I do believe the founders of this nation put this . . .

    "But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism"

    in the DOC for a reason.

    All I have ever done here is to try to show evidence that the "long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce US under absolute despotism"

    Evidently some people don't like that about me.

    I suppose the founders had their share of people constantly accusing them of believing in "wild conspiracy theories".

    I image they also saw their share of people "poisoning the well" too.

    To poison the well is to commit a pre-emptive ad hominem strike against an argumentative opponent. As with regular ad hominems, the well may be poisoned in either an abusive or circumstantial way. For instance:

    1. "Only an ignoramus would disagree with fluoridating water." (Abusive)
    2. "My opponent is a dentist, so of course he will oppose the fluoridating of water, since he will lose business." (Circumstantial)
    Anyone bold enough to enter a debate which begins with a well-poisoning either steps into an insult, or an attack upon one's personal integrity. As with standard ad hominems, the debate is likely to cease to be about its nominal topic and become a debate about the arguer. However, what sets Poisoning the Well apart from the standard Ad Hominem is the fact that the poisoning is done before the opponent has a chance to make a case. source

    Poisoning the Well is not, strictly speaking, a logical fallacy since it is not a type of argument. Rather, it is a logical boobytrap set by the poisoner to tempt the unwary audience into committing an ad hominem fallacy. As with all forms of the ad hominem, one should keep in mind that an argument can and must stand or fall on its own, regardless of who makes it.



     
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