Congressman Too Truthful

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  1. poncho

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    Lesson On The Constitution

    Ron Paul, House Of Representatives

    Read Speech Here
     
  2. Pennsylvania Jim

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    Running on a platform of adherence to the Cosnstitution will bring scorn from much of the
    Christian community.
     
  3. poncho

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    I've certainly been finding that to be true Pa Jim...the hard way.
     
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    Not likely to change, as long as we uphold the demopublican monopoly.
     
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    In addition to your quote...

    Governing Officials would be free to pray in public...

    As a Christian I. for one, would **welcome** a return to "strict" constitutional adherance...

    Unfortunately, the civil war indicated, proved and required a more intense Federal involvement if we were to remain a "United States"...

    The *real* question is this... Now that we have allowed the creation of an out of control Federal Government is there any way we can take back control without another civil war or race riots?

    Either of which would devastate our nation, what freedoms we still have, and open us up for invasion by any number of jealous nations...

    Perhaps even direct UN control...

    Now, to me... That is far scarier than what we've got today...

    If you think the Nazi's were bad to an invaded country... You have no idea what all those jealous third world nations would do to us if they only could...

    Bite the hand that feeds you? More like severe hands and limbs from the ones that feed you...
     
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    Most people I talk to today have little or no understanding of early American history and just what kind of government our forfathers created before the civil war. The idea of a government of the people, by the people, for the people and sovereignty residing in the people not the elected public servants seems to be an alien concept these days.

    Public schools have become more or less a place for our children to be indoctrinated into socialism. The idea of individual freedom is a strange and fearful idea to them. They are taught that the only real way to safety and peace is through the United Nations and globalism.

    To give up freedom for security. Which is exactly what our public servants are preaching from their "pulpits" today.

    Patriotism today is nothing more than follow the leader no matter what. If you disagree with the government you must be a terrorist or a traitor.

    Education, I think is the best place to start. We need to teach American's what it means to be an American again.
     
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    I don't agree with Ron Paul on some things. But America would be a better place if there were more of him in Congress.
     
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    No, Pancho, what we have here is a Congressman too impractical to work with the system and not desert to a third party which favors abortion and same-sex marriage by refusal to do anything to stop them. The right wing thinks that they can have an island of wealth in a sea of depravity where wages will be so low that the common man will be forced to do the bidding of the right wing. Most right wingers already have that in their private business. Now they think that they should run the world. Congressman Paul should get off the fence and get into only one party. Meanwhile he is just taking pot shots at Republicans to the delight of the Constitution Party, which hopes to elect Kerry if it cannot elect Peroutka.

    By the way, say "hello" to the Cisco Kid for me!
     
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    Paul said he's "straightforward" with farmers when they ask why he doesn't support subsidies. He said seniors know he doesn't approve of federal Social Security, but he helps them fight the bureaucracy when they need it, while encouraging them to see the light on privatization.

    Paul served four terms in the House before running for the Senate and losing to Phil Gramm in 1984. He then ran for president on the Libertarian Party ticket in 1988. He lost after garnering 432,000 votes, but nonetheless established a foundation for the network of support he enjoys to this day.

    In 1996, he beat out the GOP-favored candidate in the primary and then won narrowly against the Democrat, who attacked Paul as being pro-drug legalization, pro-prostitution and anti-minimum wage.

    "Here I am in the Bible belt," he recalled, noting that voters there warm to his pro-civil libertarian message. "But I convinced them they don't want [government] in their business."

    He admits his budget-cutting zeal has kept him from getting plum committee assignments, but he knows he has been helpful on procedural votes with his party and doesn't feel much antagonism from his peers.

    "I would say if they are really nasty to me it's behind my back. On a one-to-one basis, I figure its pretty cordial," he said. "I mean, I don't yell and scream, but I'm sending a subtle message" that maybe Republicans might have lost their way when it comes to limited budget.

    Though Paul blames "meddlesome" U.S. foreign policy for the current terrorism crisis, he said he voted for the authorization of defense funds, keeping a critical eye on how the new laws may affect civil liberties. And that's what his constituents want to hear.

    "I vote the least amount of taxes and the least amount of government and that people should be left alone," he said. "Every time I campaign I have the same theme."

    - SOURCE
     
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    And no doubt he is the highest-ranking member of the party that supports a woman's right to choice and says that the federal government should not interfere with the right to same-sex or polygamous marriage. I wish that he would start standing as a Libertarian only. He should run in the Libertarian Primary and stand as a Libertarian. His role model could be Jeffords.

    It's time to clean the GOP house!
     
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    SMM said:

    With all due respects, my friend on this board.
    Simply by impartially studying the history of just one country and the US, say, the Philippines and the US, you will also note that it has been a two-way thing, with the giant getting more from the dwarf.
     
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    I quite agree, church mouse guy. It's time to stop the twin deficits in the budget and in trade before these United States become economically bankrupt.

    I would hope that we both would like to see any Congressman or Senator of any political party defeated who does not join the effort to balance the federal budget and enact fair trade legislation to balance our exports-imports.
     
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    If American is such a rapist of the world and

    If the third world countries are so "noble" why aren't you there?

    Name a better country, please!

    And, I wasn't talking about the few friendly nations in the UN...

    Sheeeesh...

    As the song says, "I'm Proud to be an American..."
     
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    Easy, SMM. Don't get your temper up. I didn't say the third world countries were so 'noble' and neither did I say the US was a rapist of the world.

    But, to make it sound like the US was philantrophist numero uno is not true, either. And I'm here because I don't believe in divorce, relative or absolute. My wife came here first, and then petitioned for me. As God is my witness, I did not want to leave my country, but my wife did not want to go back either, so, you know, you can't always be macho.
     
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    No, Ken, you cannot dictate the terms of being a Republican. Ron Paul should have enough courage to get out of the Republican Party like Jeffords or get in it. The Libertarian Party is pro-abortion and refuses to allow the federal government to stop same-sex marriage, not that that matters to the Constitution Party.
     
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    Pinoybaptist, why are you in the CP? Pennsylvania Jim and the others want to cut off all US aid to the Philippines? Pennsylvania Jim says that the USA is playing Santa Claus to the Philippines. Is that what you believe?
     
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    You do not wish to join forces to balance the federal budget or to eliminate the trade deficit, cmg?

    I wish you would do as I have done, cmg, and have no allegiance to any particular political party, but instead will want what is best for these United States, regardless of what any political party wants.
     
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    Right, I do not wish to join forces with the Libertarians, who support abortion on demand and refuse to allow the federal government to stop same-sex marriage.

    The Republican Party nowadays is the party that is standing up for what is best for the United States in spite of the fact that the country is evenly split and third parties like the Libertarians want abortion to continue. What kind of man is Ron Paul that he belongs to a political party that supports abortion?
     
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    cmg:

    "The Republican Party nowadays is the party that is standing up for what is best for the United States..."

    Do your Christian values include lies and supporting corporate greed (Halliburton, the oil companies, the drug companies, etc.) If corporate greed is a Christian value, then I guess the Republican Party is the way to go!
     
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    Oh, Priscilla Ann, what a question! Indianapolis, of course, is home to Eli Lilly and Company, the first manufacturer of insulin in the world. They have saved many lives. If they do not earn a profit, they cannot invest in the research and development of new drugs. That is part of the reason that Indiana is for Bush by 18 points the last that I heard.

    You would have to ask Ken about the oil companies since he is a white-collar boss at them.

    Priscialla Ann, let me ask you a question. Do your Christian values include the murder of unborn babies, which the Democrat platform supports Roe v. Wade, and the refusal to amend the Constitution or do anything else to stop same-sex marriage?

    If you answer "yes", maybe you are a Libertarian like Ron Paul, the Texan who supports abortion.
     

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