Conscious of one's own sinful condition

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    Isa. 6:5 ¶ Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts.

    He saw himself just as he saw all other men around him - "unclean" before God.

    Lu 5:8 When Simon Peter saw it, he fell down at Jesus’ knees, saying, Depart from me; for I am a sinful man, O Lord.

    1Ti 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

    Ps 39:5 Behold, thou hast made my days as an handbreadth; and mine age is as nothing before thee: verily every man at his best state is altogether vanity. Selah.

    Ps 130:3 If thou, LORD, shouldest mark iniquities, O Lord, who shall stand?

    Job 9:20 If I justify myself, mine own mouth shall condemn me: if I say, I am perfect, it shall also prove me perverse.

    1 Jn. 1:8 ¶ If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

    Rom. 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.



    It can be successfully argued that the vast amount of scriptures above were spoken by professed men of God about how they perceived their own personal condition in regard to sin. .

    In direct contrast, the pharisees and sadducees who represented the lost but relgious professors consistently perceived thier own condition as living above sin.



    Lu 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

    Jer 2:35 Yet thou sayest, Because I am innocent, surely his anger shall turn from me. Behold, I will plead with thee, because thou sayest, I have not sinned.

    Isa 65:5 Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.

    Mt 19:20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

    Luke 15:29 And he answering said to his father, Lo, these many years do I serve thee, neither transgressed I at any time thy commandment: and yet thou never gavest me a kid, that I might make merry with my friends:


    I believe this contrast is true today. Only the religious lost professors perceive their own personal condition as sinless while true believers perceive their own personal condition as still sinful.

    Significantly the righteous are not describing their POSITION due to justification but rather their own unglorified condition. They are not expressing what they are "in Christ" but what they are in their own unglorifed condition personally..
     
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    Absolutely! :thumbsup:
     
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    Those Christ died for, everyone of them will be taught their sinful condition before God ! That is the Holy Spirit's Mission unto everyone Christ is an Saviour unto Jn 6:45

    It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

    Jn 16:8


    8And when he is come, he will reprove the world[church] of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

    9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
     
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    The church doesn't believe on Christ?
     
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    What verse do you have that says the Church does not believe on Christ ?
     
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    Why be so coy? Ann quoted your rewording of Christ statement where you changed his word from "world" to "church" in parenthesis! Her question is obvious. Whoever is being referred to as the "world" in that text was in unrepentance and sin when Christ spoke of it. If the term "world" here means "church" then Christ was speaking of an unrepentant "church" still in sin at the time he spoke.

    Do me a favor, start your own thread if you are going to go off on one of your tangents. This thread is not about ecclessiology but about the contrast between RELIGOUS lost and saved in regard to PERSONAL CONSCIOUSNES OF sin.
     
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    Thats what world means in that context , the Church.

    The non elect world receives no spiritual benefit from the Spirit, because Christ did not die for it.

    Speaking to His Church Christ says Jn 14:17

    even the Spirit of Truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth Him not, neither knoweth Him. But ye know Him, for He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
     
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    This thread is not about the church. You make it your practice of hijacking threads to promote your own false teachings. Stick to the OP or go somewhere else and start your own OP.
     
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    Where did I state it was about the church ?
     
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    you are purposely attempting to change the OP of this thread to another topic. either stick with the OP or go somewhere else.
     
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    No I am not, that is a false accusation ! I have a right to comment on any thread in this section, whether you like it or not. And I believe the comment I have made is relevant whether you like it or not ! You do not own nothing here, not even this thread, it is a public forum !
     
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    Ok! What application are you making then to the OP that it is RELIGIOUS professors that deny personal sinlessness in contrast to the profession of true children of God in regard to thier own person?
     
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    I believe it is against BB rules to hijack threads as you are doing here. So please stop or you will be reported.
     
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    He gets reported all the time to no avail.
     
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    Report all you want, you are a false accuser also, I can comment on any thread in this section !
     
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    Ok, please then apply your post to the OP and tell us how your post applies to the distinction between how the religious lost view their own person in regard to sin as contrasted with the saved man's view of sin in regard to his own person? If you cannot make this application then you are trying to derail this thread and no amount of denial can paint it differently.
     
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    All men by nature are self righteous, and the more religious they are the deeper their self righteousness is rooted.

    When Jesus says that men Loved darkness rather than Light here Jn 3:19

    And this is the condemnation: that Light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.


    The deeds that were evil here, is not that of the harlots and tax collectors, and thieves, but of the very religious, like the Pharisee here Lk 18:10-12

    10"Two men went up into the temple to pray, the one a Pharisee and the other a publican.


    11The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, `God, I thank Thee that I am not as other men are: extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.


    12I fast twice in the week; I give tithes of all that I possess.'


    It takes a work of the Holy Spirit of God to convine a person like this of sin. By nature, a person like this pharisee who is very devout in their relgion does not know that what he is doing is evil deeds !
     
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    Again, you are attempting to derail the thread and take into your perverted doctrine of justification.

    Make up your mind! Either "ALL MEN BY NATURE ARE" or only religious lost men are by nature lovers of darkness and haters of light?

    You cannot apply John 3:19-20 to a select group of lost people because what is said is true of the nature of every lost person and the context is applying it at the very beginning to those who come into the world in unbelief. Jesus didn't come into the world to condemn anyone because ALL MEN were condemned already on the basis of UNBELIEF not on the basis of elect versus non-elect. He is talking about what is common to ALL MEN who enter into this world - they ALL come into this world in a state of unbelief and this is the condemnation Jesus refers to.

    Jesus is speaking of all men because all men enter this world in unbelief as no person comes into this world already a believer (Jn. 3:17-18). Hence, you cannot selectively apply this text to merely a certain group of lost people as the truth is applicable by context to all human beings coming into this world.
     
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    No I am not, another false accusation !

    Agreed, but some come into the world Justified by the Blood of Christ before God !
     
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    The OP is not about your restricted and selective interpretation of John 3:17-20! We are talking about self-perception of sin by the religious lost versus true children of God.

    You rightly stated that it is the nature of ALL LOST MEN to be self-righteous but then you attempt to derail the thread by bringing into this discussion your restrictive interpretation of John 3:19-20 to only SOME LOST MEN.

    We have witnessed this kind of manipulation of threads by you for a long time and we are not that stupid!
     

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