Featured Considering the problem of depression & discouragement!

since the OP is supposed to be about depression, may
i suggest Martyn Lloyd-jones book "Spiritual Depression - Its Causes & Cure" Very good read!

 

How psychiatrists come up with disorders is not science, so I am not sure why you are bringing science into the debate.

On hidden camera, psychologists that were responsible for writing the DSM-IV admit that the way they come up with disorders is to make them up and then vote on them.

That is not science at all.

 

Yes! I am afraid that the church ahs been duped into believing that the word of God does not work. Sadly for some they love that teaching and cling to it to keep from facing the truth, their sin.

For instance a so called eating disorder such as anorexia or bulimia, other types of claimed mental illness such as cutting or what ever all of which can lead to depression. Instead of dealing with them as they should be they are classified as a mental illness and the person given pills or other treatment. The truth is that they stem from sin. The same with every other claimed mental illness. They are start with sin.

 

Can you tell us what spiritual depression is according to him as well as cause and the cure?

 

Interesting that the author reveals that the cure for false teachings, sin, vain regrets, fear of the future, feelings, weariness in well doing, trials, and the like is "I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me."

On page 300, Jones writes: ‘That is it,’ says Paul, ‘and therefore I am able for all things through the One who is constantly infusing strength into me.’ That, then, is the prescription”

Pretty much what I have been saying all along.

 

That fits nicely with the voodoo doll post earlier. Do I need my tin foil hat for the rest of this discussion?

 

Dont even consider likening yourself to ML-J......he was also a "Real MD Doctor" & quite good at it prior to becoming a full time pastor & preacher. He is also quite clear that there is a difference from "Spiritual Depression" & Clinical. I suggest you in particular read it. Note however he was a Welsh Methodist Calvinist so you might not agree with him on his theology.

 

No you need to believe the bible instead of these false teachings by quackery.

 

No...read the book.

 

Can you show us in the bible where there is spiritual depression spoken of?

 

I have read THE book and it is called the bible.

 

The real problem is that statistically only 7% of the Medical field are licensed psychiatrists meaning that most people with some form of depression or another are being diagnosed by local MD's & DO's who often prescribe something or another for what is usually simple anxiety....these are the people misdiagnosing & over prescribing. Many of them also add to their incomes by writing illegal scripts to drug traffickers.

If you were to examine the whole of the NYC Metro area (a microcosm of drug mis use) you would see that after 911 the abuse of prescription drugs skyrocketed to the point now that at many social gatherings they pop & trade prescription drugs like the 50 folk would mixed drinks. Its quite alarming.

 

Listening to "The Myth of Mental Illness" by Rev. Dr. Robert J.K. Law, who worked in mental institutions for many years.

His view of mental illnes? Just as both freeatlast and myself have been saying, it is bogus.

He gives an illustration of a person sitting on a drawing pin and coming to him for help. Now, he could give that person something for the pain, but the pin is still there... the pill masks the pain but leaves the pin. The pin, left under the person, continues to dig and ultimately causes ulcers even though the person is feeling nothing.

Likewise, pills do not remove the spirit of depression, they only mask the symptoms. That which causes the depression is still within the heart of the person...digging deeper and ultimately causing more damage.

The only way to get rid of that which causes the depression is to turn it over to Jesus. To hold onto it is, as freeatlast pointed out, sin.

 

All mental illness stems from sin. Treating what is described as mental illness with drugs does not cure the claimed illness. The only cure is to deal with the sin that brought the symptoms on.

 

In scripture, I see where depression has several causes.

Demonic oppression: Saul, Nebuchadnezzar, various people of all ages during the time of Jesus.

One's own sin: David

Other people's sin against us: David

Oppression from Satan himself even though we have done no wrong: Job


Other reasons for depression:
Trauma to the body (surgery, injury)
War, abuse (physical or mental)
Hormone imbalance
Death of a loved one
Divorce
A thorn in your side (Paul)

We should always take it to Christ, and sometimes God takes it away and sometimes He doesn't. I don't know why.
But to broadbrush every single case of depression by blaming the individual for a lack of faith is despicable in my opinion.

 

What sin did Job commit? God said he was blameless and upright. Do you know something God doesn't know?


Not ALL mental illness stems from sin!

You are like Job's "friends" who said his losses were the result of Job's sin. God did not like their judgement.

 

Yes all so called mental illnes is from sin. What are you refering to in Job?

 

Have you read Job? Do you seriously need to ask this question?

 

Put on the whole armor of God and you will not suffer depression. Sadness is not depression. All claimed mental illness is from sin.

 

Yes what I have read Job. What part are you pointing too that suggests that Job was mentally ill?