Conspiracies and Spiritual Blindness

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  1. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    I am seeing a trend which concerns me. There seems to me a mindset in other forums on this board that there is a connection between accepting conspiracy theories and there level of spiritual growth.

    Comments have been made like "only those who have a Biblical world view can see the conspiracies".

    I am purposefully posting this in the Baptist Only section of the board. I am interested in the views of fellow Baptists on this issue.

    Must one accept the conspiracy theories in order to be be spiritual?
    If one does not accept the theories, does that mean he is spiritually blind?
    If one does accept the theories, does it indicate he has an unbiblical world view?
     
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    Roger, the Bible describes several conspiracy theories. Some already happened. Some will happen in the future, like the One World Government. (which has nothing to do with pre-trib or post-trib, BTW, stated before this thread gets derailed into that discussion).

    So I think we need to clarify which conspiracy theories we are talking about.

    One World Government - yes.

    The Shooter on the Grassy Knoll - no.
     
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    Let me clarify.

    No one doubts that there will be a one world government one day. That does not mean that the Illumnati will be the soruce of it. That does not mean that what we now call the New World Order will be a part of it. It does not even mean that the present State of Israel will have any role to play. .

    My concern comes from comments involving specific events, like 9/11, and several quotes implying that only the spiritual see this aa a part of soem great anti-Christ conspiracy.

    The Bible says nothing about these specific events. I am pre-trib, pre-mil, yet I do not see a need to read every news story into the Scriptures.
     
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    CK4, I believe in on big conspiracy theory:

    Satan has done and is going to do whatever he can do to wrest control of this world out of God's hands even though he knows the war is already lost.

    As a Christian, I'm not terribly concerned with Illumnati or Skull and Bones because I already know the end of the story! I might pay just enough attention to the news to get an idea on who to vote for, but I'm not going to allow it to affect my walk with God nor am I going to concern myself to the point of worrying about what might happen in between now and the end. My God is perfectly capable of taking care of my needs, no matter what else might happen in this world, within his glorious will. I'm called to be salt and light, not darkness and conspiracy.
     
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    Non Baptist in Baptist Only forums: Removed

    [ December 31, 2004, 12:45 PM: Message edited by: dianetavegia ]
     
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    Prophecy,

    This is a "Baptist Only" area of the board. Please respect the rules of the board.
     
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    Roger,

    To answer your questions in order:

    No, No, and sometimes yes, sometimes no.

    The thing that bothers me about most of the conspiracy theories is how they seem to be predicated on wild allegations that are not really to be proved, but disproved. Whenever pressed about specific evidence or certain aspects of the theory, the ones espousing these theories inevitably come back with such foolishness as it was covered up by the illuminati, thus explaining why they can't prove their theories (leaving them with no accountability) and leaving it to us to disprove something that was never proven. It is a guilty until proven innocent mindset. This is why I have a hard time taking these looney ideas seriously. This is a good way to know that you are being taken for a ride.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
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    My problem is not so much with the ideas, but the judgement that if one does not "see it" they are not spiritual.

    I believe in individual soul liberty. I do not think one's view of worldly conspiracies has anything to do with how spiritual they are.
     
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    My problem is with the guilty until proven innocent without any real evidence mindset which leads to the wacky claims that if you don't just believe in it, then you must not have open spiritual eyes, etc...

    You see, that argument merely justifies their lack of evidence. It is merely, IMO, a symptom of the real problem.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
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    If you are referring to my post, that is not what I said or meant. Here it is:

    What I said was in general terms. I have seen posts on this very board which deny there will be a One World Government at a future time. And no where did I state someone was unspiritual if they didn't believe in conspiracy theories. But there is such a thing as spiritual blindness. Even Jesus said the "very elect could be deceived."
     
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    No LE,

    I have much higher regard for you than that.

    Roger
     
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    Thank you. It must be my paranoia. Will remove my foil hat. [​IMG]
     
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    Matthew 24:24 (ESV)
    For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.
     
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    Matt.24
    [22] And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

    [24] For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

    [31] And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
     
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    Personally, I pay just about zero attention to so-called "Christian" conspiracy theories. Don't misunderstand what I'm referring to here: if it's something that's foretold in Scripture, I believe it.

    What I'm talking about are the theories promoted by the likes of Texe Marrs (and similar crackpots). Some of my favorites of his are:

    1. John Ashcroft & George W. Bush are secretly constructing huge concentration camps in the western U.S., with plans to round-up & incarcerate fundamentalist Christians. Of course, nobody has actually seen these camps or has any actual evidence of them; let alone the question of why Ashcroft and Bush would be plotting such an event.

    2. A mysterious rogue planet in our solar system (Planet 'X') was foretold by Marrs to pass very closely by Earth a couple of years ago, and cause havoc- tidal waves, earthquakes, etc. Of course it didn't happen.

    3. In his latest newsletter, he indicts Arnold Schwarzenegger as being the Anti-Christ; patiently waiting for his time to overthrow & rule the world. (Never mind that Arnold is approximately the 53rd person he has identified as such!)

    I'm afraid that many unsaved see Marrs and others of his ilk, and might think that Christians (in general) are just a bunch of whacked-out nuts! (I have no idea if Marrs is a Baptist, Pentecostal, or what. I do know that he is a big fan of Gail Riplinger's KJVO rantings.)
     
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    There is no doubt that we need to be aware of what is going on, we need to stay informed.

    I contend that an over emphasis on present worldy "signs and wonders" and making guesses to tie them into scripture does more harm than good.

    Spiritual discernment, IMHO, comes from discering truth from error, the work of God from the work on man.

    There is no Bible basis for tying the Illuminati into scripture. It is pure and simple conjecture.
     
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    False teachers are just that. Scripture talks about what to do with them.
     
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    C4K, let me give you a couple of small real-world examples to help you case.

    Before my SECOND career, I was and still am an electronic-engineer. At one time I designed ground-to-air equipment to transmit data and encrypted audio for the Egyptian Air-Force. I made a big mistake a mentioned it at church one night. Boy, was I a bad guy. I wasn't working for Israel, I was working for Israel's enemy and Egypt would be involved in the great battles at the end of the world, blah, blah blah. What I didn't BOTHER to tell them was that the contracts were actually made through Israel to supply Egypt with defensive equipment to keep their boarders safer from more radical Arab factions.

    Another time, I mentioned that I designed some of the black boxes in the Tomahawk Cruise Missile. This was right before the first Gulf war. The question was raised---was I helping to bring the world to the threshold of Armageddon?

    Finally, and my favorite, I designed "unpowered" wireless RF locator ID tags to be placed on drill stems all over the world. Most drill stems are owned by one company and their inventory control has been horrible. The idea was to embed a RF locator chip in each drill stem at the join where it could be picked up by an electronic receiver that both provided wireless power to the chip to power it up and read back the 64 thousand bit serial and information code from the chip.

    Since people have talked about using these chips to store personal information, people jumped all over me for helping design the "mark of the beast".

    As far as I am concerned, all of this is the stuff of urban legends and conspiracy theories.
     
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    I have been criticised for using the euro ;) .
     

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