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Haven't been able to find that evidence yet huh?

Well, I'm not surprised. If you're waiting on the folks at Fox News to uncover it for you, it might be awhile yet. Investigative reporting isn't really their strong suit. So, I'm just gonna go ahead and present some evidence to back my claim that Washington was behind the violent overthrow of the real duly elected Ukrainian government in the meantime.

Here are 25 recent events, or data points, that our rulers hope we forget when they blame the collapse of the old world order on Russia:

US spent $5 billion to destabilize Ukraine, not to mention the millions NGOs spent on “opposition groups“. The State Department was even caught playing kingmaker in Ukraine in secret recordings during the takeover.

November 21st, 2013 - Ukraine’s President abandons an agreement on closer trade ties with EU, instead seeking closer cooperation with Russia. Violent pro-EU protests begin to organize.

December 17th, 2013 - Putin offers to buy $15bn of Ukrainian debt and discount the price of Russian gas by about a third.

February 2014 – Violence of coup peaks on the 20th. On 22nd protesters took control of Kiev and Parliament votes to remove president from power.

February 23rd – New interim government named, replaces head of Ukraine central bank.

March 6th – Obama signs national emergency executive order to punish Ukrainians that ”undermine democratic processes and institutions” of the coup government in Ukraine. You can’t make this stuff up.

March 16th - Crimea holds voter referendum to split from coup government in Kiev and ally with Russia, passes by over 95%.

March 20th – Obama announces more unilateral sanctions on Russia.

March 24th – Leaked tape where former prime minister of Ukraine and darling of the West, Yulia Tymoshenko, calls for wiping out all Russians with nuclear weapons.

April 29th – Obama unilaterally expands sanctions on Russia.

April 30th – Newly installed regime in Kiev receives $17 billion from the IMF for “economic reforms”. (December deal from Russia with better terms for Ukrainian people discarded.)

May 3rd – Obama calls Kiev’s coup government “duly elected“.

May 11th – Eastern Ukraine votes for independence from Kiev and for self-rule. Kiev mobilizes military to punish citizens for disloyalty.

May 15th – US Vice President’s son Hunter Biden named to the board of Ukraine gas company.

May 21st – Russia and China sign historic $400 billion “Holy Grail” gas deal not using petrodollars.

May 27th – Second day in office, new Ukraine president launches military ”anti-terrorist operation“ against eastern Ukrainians.

June 3rd - NATO pledges military support for Ukraine to battle dissidents.

June 16th – Ukraine refuses to pay its gas bill to Moscow’s Gazprom, Russia cuts off gas.

June 26th – Gazprom agrees to drop the dollar to settle contracts with China.

June 27th – The EU signs an association agreement with Ukraine, along with Georgia and Moldova

July 15th – BRICS nations fund international development bank to compete with the IMF, World Bank, and the dollar itself.

July 17th – Commercial airliner MH17 shot out of the sky over eastern Ukraine. Appears to be classic false flag event after the West immediately blamed Russia citing sketchy YouTube videos.

July 2014 – US announces yet more sanctions on Russia. EU and Canada both join in calls for more sanctions for Russia.

July 2014 – Joe Biden’s son’s company prepares to drill shale gas in east Ukraine.

July 2014 – Pentagon creates military plan to clear path for gas drilling in rebel-held areas of Ukraine.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/25-recent-events-in-ukraine-the-u-s-wants-you-to-forget/5393572 <--- Click on this link to view all the other links in this article.

This is information TND is desperately hoping you folks will forget while he does his level best to smear me and anyone else that tries to remind you all about it.

BTW, I didn't bother to count up all the links that lead to the sources TND terms "credible", meaning the mainstream corporate media. I'll leave that up to you folks.


I guess now's it's you're turn to throw the words "conspiracy theory" around some more instead of delivering the evidence to back your own claim, again, right TND? :smilewinkgrin:



Oh yeah and for my good friend CMG, if you're reading this and happen onto that article in the "world socialist website" and just don't feel right about reading it here's another one from a more "mainstream" source for ya . . .

Why shouldn't Hunter Biden join the board of a gas company in Ukraine?

The son of the US vice-president has been chosen to take charge of energy firm Burisma's legal unit – a decision based purely on merit, of course.

http://www.theguardian.com/business/shortcuts/2014/may/14/hunter-biden-job-board-ukraine-biggest-gas-producer-burisma

And if that don't suit your fancy either here's another one from an even more "mainstream source" . . .

Burisma Holdings Limited Key Developments

Robert Hunter Biden Joins Board of Directors of Burisma Holdings Ltd

May 12 14

Robert Hunter Biden has joined the board of directors of Burisma Holdings Ltd. In the holding Robert Biden will be responsible for legal issues, and supporting the company in international organisations. He serves as Counsel to Boies, Schiller, Flexner, LLP. Previously, Mr. Biden was a founding member of the law firm, Oldaker, Biden and Belair, LLP, was appointed by President Clinton to serve as Executive Director of E-Commerce Policy Coordination under Secretary of Commerce William Daley and was a Senior Vice President at MBNA America Bank.

http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=59556166

Don't these two just look happier than a pig in . . . mud? Hey hey hey it's about to be pay day day day! Fascism, ain't it grand?

Note: See my signature line below.

 

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Is this all the evidence you could come up with to help prove TND's claim?

Or is this suppose to "debunk" all my evidence?

This is how the "credible" people here prove their own claims folks. Kinda of amusing isn't it?

 

Alex Jones is the Face of conspiracy theorists.

Where in my post did I mention your name or your evidence? You are either too sensitive or too paranoid.

 

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Ironic...:laugh:

 

No really. I'm impressed. You outdone yourself.

 

Says the guy that has so far done everything but show his evidence.

 

Oh okay. So all we have to do is read the real news then?

You mean like this . . . http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=94580?

I read this soon as the Rev posted it. I looked for supporting evidence in this "real news" article but couldn't find any. So, I asked the Rev to show me.

So far I'm still waiting on his reply.

The cricket sound is kind of nice though.

If you're reading all the real news it shouldn't be a problem for you to share all the evidence to back your claim. I mean you say it's there.

Now I understand that you being relatively new here as compared to say, me you might not understand how the debate process works here so I'll try to explain it.

When a person makes a matter of fact claim such as you, the Rev and CMG have done the burden of proof falls on you. Not the person asking you for supporting evidence to back your claim. It's generally understood that the person making the claim is the one responsible for providing the evidence.

It's not the responsibility of everyone else to go look for the evidence you claim exists to support your claim.

In other words, the burden of proof has fallen on you not everyone else.

You made a claim. Now it's your responsibility to back it up with solid evidence. So, do it man.

Just do it.

 

If I'm understanding you correctly, you do not believe that Russian separatists shot down the Malaysian airliner. So who did shoot it down?

 

I thought you guys already knew who was responsible for it. You said as much. Well, maybe not you but your buddies have.

TND said the Russian backed "separatists" did it. CMG said the same thing.

The Rev posted the above Fox News article that is written in such a way as to make it sound as though the Russians have been lobbing artillery rounds into Ukraine. There's no evidence to back up this um, assumption in the article though.

I asked the Rev to show us the proof. So far nothing. I asked CMG to show us the proof. So far nothing. I asked TND to show us the proof and so far all he has done is try to convince everyone it's their responsibility to prove his claims for him.

To answer your question. I don't know who did it. That's why I haven't made any claims blaming one side or the other like your buddies have.

I have however posted evidence to support my claim that Washington was behind the violent overthrow of the real duly elected government of Ukraine. Anyone who has been following Washington's "foreign policy" for any length of time will understand that Washington has been in the violent regime change business for a long time so backing violent elements in Ukraine wouldn't be acting out of character for them at all.

Neither would taking advantage of a tragedy of this nature to push their agenda of "global hegemony and American Preeminence" be out of character for them.

This is what they do. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjMTNPXYu-Y

Maybe some here really believe that posting GIFS of Alex Jones ranting and labeling your opponent a "conspiracy theorist" is enough to "debunk" all the evidence that runs contrary to their own claims but I tend to think most people are more intelligent than that. Remember, debate is supposed be a point counterpoint thing. Not a point counter smear thing. At least that's the way it used to be anyhow.

Have you read Edward Bernay's book I gave you yet?

 

I have recorded for readers the propaganda that is used in order to demonize Putin and Russia. But even I was stunned by the astounding and vicious lies in the UK publication The Economist on July 26. The cover is Putin’s face in a spider web, and, you guessed it, the cover story is “A Web of Lies.” http://www.economist.com/news/leade...de&spv=xm&ah=9d7f7ab945510a56fa6d37c30b6f1709

You need to read this propaganda both in order to see the gutter level of propaganda in the West and the obvious drive to war with Russia. There is no evidence whatsoever in the story to support The Economist’s wild accusations and demand for the end of Western “appeasement” of Russia and the harshest possible action against Putin.

The kind of reckless lies and transparent propaganda that comprises The Economist’s story has no other purpose than to drive the world to war.

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/07/28/war-coming-paul-craig-roberts/

Evidently this http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21608645-vladimir-putins-epic-deceits-have-grave-consequences-his-people-and-outside-world-web?spc=scode&spv=xm&ah=9d7f7ab945510a56fa6d37c30b6f1709 is the kind of "evidence" from the "real credible media" TND bases his matter of fact claim on. Notice the total lack of evidence?

There's plenty of demonization and name calling in it but no supporting evidence. This is an argument TND could of constructed himself as it depends on the readers ignorance and gullibility instead of supporting evidence.

Matter of fact this is TND's argument in a nutshell. "I hate Russians, the corporate media is demonizing the Russians, the people in Washington (whom I have repeatedly called liars that can't be trusted to tell the truth) want to destabilize and/or attack Russia, my three or four neocon buddies here all agree with me, therefore this backs my claims, that's all the evidence anyone should need"

That's whats known as "credibility" Baptist Board style.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3_EXqJ8f-0