Constitution Party - Why I would NOT join

1) I agree; however, if it done by using force it is slavery.

2) That sounds like socialism/communism's credo: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need".

By the way, my brother and brother-in-law both served in Vietnam. I have a great-nephew who served in Iraq.

 

Sounded like it.

Just for the record, the Constitution Party is a fringe party with no real legitimacy and unworthy of support. Their candidate is considered a joke in many Christian circles.

He is a poor standard to judge other candidates by.

BTW Still sounds like it. You sugar coated it but it has the same smell.

 

No Quotes Needed

CARPRO, You are of course entitled to your opinion as we ALL are. I just happen to strongly disagree with YOUR opinion. I consider IT a FRINGE opinion. I will continue to be a CP/Baldwin supporter,recommend them to EVERYBODY,and vote that way in November with an INCREDIBLY clear conscience.....and you my dear Carpro will do something else. God Bless You.

:type: raying: :laugh: Bro.Greg Perry Sr.

 

And Another Thing

While I do take exception to Carpro's characterization of the CP as a "fringe" party (because I believe he truly does mean it as an insult),I will say that in comparison to the "Big Two" ALL the other parties could be considered "fringe" to some degree. Part (if not MOST)of the blame for that is the liberal mainstream media who make it a point to marginalize anyone and everything that doesn't follow their apparent AGENDA. I do believe that if the playing field was level and the "third parties"were given FAIR (objective)COVERAGE by the media then the American People might think differently about the CP as well as some of the other legitimate options. I personally believe that the CP/Baldwin option is best. That is my opinion. Carpro...WHO do you support? And WHY?(I know it really is none of my business but you have criticized MY choice). For the record...my ONLY motivation is that I want to make choices that are pleasing to the Lord which serve HIS purposes and honor His Word and His people......as much as is humanly possible.

Humbly Yours,
Greg Perry Sr.:type: :saint: raying:

 

Well said, but my opinion is the draft assumes your kids belong to the state. I can't say it any better.

 

Wrong again.

Whoever I vote for, it will be with a clear conscience as well.

You still seem to think you own the market on how a Christian should vote. Your continued arrogance is un-Christian in and of itself. You're hardly one to set standards for others.

 

You are wrong a lot for someone that is so convinced that his position on Christians and voting is the only one that is... right.

No insult intended. Simply a statement of fact.

What else could you call a party that is on the ballot in less than 50% of the state? No election is possible at all, even if they win all their states. Fringe is the word.

A vote for the Constitution Party candidate is wasted and should be considered a vote for the most liberal candidate ever to run for President, Barak Obama.

 

The draft , when needed, assures the rest of us that the 35% of the population that will always let others do their fighting and dying for them actually participate in the defense of our nation.

 

One More Time

Carpro......:BangHead: Let me be CLEAR about this.....I AM DOGMATICALLY STUMPING for the candidate that I PERSONALLY believe is the best one out there. I am not afraid to say that.....and you have EVERY RIGHT to disagree with me EVEN though you have not offered ONE SHRED of ANY good reason WHY I MAY BE WRONG. Vote for whom you wish (I'm sure you will).....but brother...HUMOR ME..and allow me to have and express my OPINION. I NEVER said that anyone HAD to vote for Dr.Baldwin in order to be "spiritual". However...I will own up to the fact that I did directly say that a vote for either McCain OR Obama was a vote for someone that was operating in the 'spirit' of antichrist. These are NOT Godly men and they won't govern (if elected) in anything resembling a godly,biblical manner. I said that...I believe that....you can't prove me wrong.

Again...DIRECTLY yet Humbly Yours,
Greg Perry Sr.:saint:

 

We can now add lying to your arrogance.

 

I'm afraid you are going to find that some posters here are unable to carry on a conversation without continual insults. Even if you try and be courteous, if will make on difference. They just enjoy being objectionable no matter what. The only advice I can offer is to ignore them; they don't deserve a response.

 

Not Really

CP...I mean carpro...lol....irony is a wonderful thing..... I will stand by my original statement due to the fact that it is IMPOSSIBLE to apply ANY standard of righteousness OR a clear conscience to ANY of the other candidates. I'll stand by Dr. Baldwin simply because I know the standard of righteousness he would apply to HIMSELF (if asked) would be the IMPUTED righteousness of the Lord Jesus Christ.... Regardless of how you wish to characterize me I am NOT arrogant nor a liar...God knows my heart. I'm just convinced that Dr.Baldwin is the best man to lead our country back to a solid stance as a Constitutional Republic (if there is any hope of that at all). You have offered nothing but criticism.....no facts or anything substantiative to give me or anyone else any reason to not consider the CP or Dr.Baldwin. Therefore I believe I'll now take the advice of Bro.Dragonfly and from hereon(at least in regards to this subject)"put you on IGNORE". Incidently,Thank you for your kind advice bro.Dragonfly!!

Very Humbly Yours,
Greg Perry Sr.:godisgood: :saint:

 

[personal attack snipped]

It is not your actual support of Baldwin that is at issue. It is your attitude toward Christians who do not share your enthusiam for a fringe candidate of a fringe party. Then, to top it off, you lie about your attitude.

[personal attack snipped]

 

It wouldn't surprise anyone who knows me. I'm surprised that you would be surprised that others might not agree with you regarding the CP.

Since I don't agree that the current U.S. government is illegitimate (which is what you and the CP are actually saying), I don't agree with the reasoning based off of that premise.

Are things perfect or the way I would prefer them? Of course not. But that doesn't mean the government is illegitimate.

Uh huh... Would you rather fight the war on terror on foreign soil (where the terrorists live and train) or in our homeland? Say what you want about George W. Bush, we haven't had a successful terror attack on our soil since 9/11. I believe that is because we are keeping them busy and on the run.

I think the way of life that most Muslims disagree with involves the immorality that we export around the world in the form of pornography or, historically, the strategic support of dictators that happen to oppress their own people. We also are a very strong supporter of Israel that has been involved in a long and bloody war with Muslims for decades. While the Muslims have acted horribly in those conflicts, Israel's hands are not clean either.

Of course there are the fundamentalist Muslims who will not be happy until everyone is dead or praying to Allah, but they are not the majority... they just happen to drive much of the popular public discourse (like talk radio in the U.S.).

I don't think I have the time, especially since you guarantee you can't be proven wrong:

It seems clear to me that you aren't really interested in an open-minded discussion.

Of course not. I am a follower of Jesus. I don't put my faith in government or politicians to solve societal problems. The problems of our world must primarily be solved through the power of the gospel worked out in our lives. When our society is transformed through the transformation of individuals (through the ministry of faithful churches), our nation will recover. But a political platform that stresses outward conformity to a reactionary agenda will not fix the problems of our nation and will only serve to distract Christians from the most difficult work of actually living out of faith through personal obedience to the teaching of Jesus.

That's not a major point of contention, but it is a glaring example of how unprepared the CP is to actually communicate with our nation. If they can't even master the basic principles of good formatting for documents (to the minimal level of a small business enterprise), they certainly aren't ready to change hearts and minds to promote their vision through a national campaign of education and motivation.

 

1. I don't see anything wrong with a government conscripting folks to fight in wars.

2. I don't think we have fought an unjust war in more than 100 years.

3. The war with Iraq truly began in January 1991. After the cease fire, Saddam Hussein agreed to certain terms, yet did not actually abide by them. For years, our planes were targeted by their radars and Hussein sought to gain weapons of mass destruction. The restart of overt hostilities in 2003 was simply the choice to abandon the failed policy of allowing Hussein to remain in power.

 

Paying taxes is a responsibility of citizenship. Does that mean we should not enforce compliance?

Your assertion of slavery does not hold up. You might as well say that compulsory education laws for children are also examples of slavery.

I thought that since I was addressing Christians, I would be understood. Not everyone has the ability to fight effectively on a battlefield. In fact, the soldiers on that ground need at least 10x as many people to support them in the infrastructure of the military... everything from strategic intelligence to design and manufacture to supply chains to logistics... everyone has specific skills that they bring to the table that can be used effectively for the good of all. (Spiritual gifts in the church work this way.)

The ridiculous comparison to socialism/communism is reprehensible.

 

Just A Few Points To Make

BB....I'll pass on all this "quoting" and try to make my point from memory. I am always open to rational discussion in regards to these political issues. I do confess to being dogmatic in my position about the CP and Dr.Baldwin because after voting for GW Bush twice and seeing where we are now I'm convinced he is the best option.....for ME. I have weighed the options of continuing to vote Republican and I just no longer believe it is the right thing for me to do. I don't think I'm persuasive enough to convince anybody so I'll just content (myself) to being a seed planter. I'm the same way about spreading the Gospel since I'm not very good at witnessing convincingly. I administer a tract ministry in my church and believe in spreading the seed and letting others do the "watering". The results are in God's hands. Likewise in the political arena I'm convinced of the position I take and NOT ashamed to talk about it or state my position.
As to the issues of taxes and drafts.....I don't like either but I would do my duty if called (although I am past draft age) and I do pay my taxes. I will stand on the position that the current mess in Iraq is an illegal foreign intervention or undeclared war that is bankrupting this country with NO END in sight. I do believe we should support Israel in any way possible and QUIT giving anything to the Palestinians. I also believe that if we would bring our troops home and station our National Guard Troops ON OUR OWN BORDER (close the swiss cheese up) we could save money AND secure our borders to safeguard our country from terrorist attack. If our borders are secure....we will be safer. This country is BROKE,financially,morally,and spiritually. To cap this post let me just say that my REAL hope is ONLY in the Lord Jesus Christ. I believe it only right that my vote should go (in as much as it is possible to know) to support men or women who share my values and convictions. God is sovereign and He will see to it that the one that suits His purpose will be elected. Sadly...the way things are in this country His purpose may be JUDGEMENT. We need to be in much fervent PRAYER for our country.

In His Service,
Greg Perry Sr.raying:

 

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the war in Iraq was duly authorized by act of Congress.

As much as you would like to characterize it as "illegal", it's simply your opinion and is contrary to the facts.

 

1) Taxes are collected by force. If you don't pay them, you know what happens.

2) They are, unless you think that your children belong to the state.

 

Article.I Section. 8. of the Constitution -
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States

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''The power of Congress to classify and conscript manpower for military service is beyond question.'' - Lichter v. United States, (1948)