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Discussion in 'Politics' started by poncho, Sep 12, 2005.
This question is aimed at the Baptist Board constitutionalists. Is this agency constitutional?
I don't know yet if I will be joining the raanks of the CP but I looked up some facts about FEMA and their powers, They could quite concievably have more power than the President under certain circumstances.
Here are just a few Executive Orders associated with FEMA that would suspend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. These Executive Orders have been on record for nearly 30 years and could be enacted by the stroke of a Presidential pen:
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months.
No, it is not constitutional!
This is from the Constitution Party's platform:
Domestic Federal Aid
The Constitution assigns all powers not delegated to the federal government to the states or the people.
Domestic federal "aid" not authorized by the Constitution is not only illegal, it is immoral.
We call upon the states, therefore, to decline to accept all monies from the federal government for any purpose not specifically and clearly articulated in the Constitution, and reject all federal mandates and regulations which are unconstitutional, thus restoring the intended balance of power between the states and their creation, the U.S. Government.
Source: Constitution Party National Platform
Bring Government Back Home
The closer civil government is to the people, the more responsible, responsive, and accountable it is likely to be. The Constitution, itself, in Articles I through VI, enumerates the powers which may be exercised by the federal government. Of particular importance is Article I, Section 8 which delineates the authority of the Congress.
The federal government was clearly established as a government of limited authority. The Tenth Amendment to the Constitution specifically provides that: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
Over time, the limitations of federal government power imposed by the Constitution have been substantially eroded. Preservation of constitutional government requires a restoration of the balance of authority between the federal government and the States as provided in the Constitution, itself, and as intended and construed by those who framed and ratified that document.
We pledge to be faithful to this constitutional requirement and to work methodically to restore to the States and to the people their rightful control over legislative, judicial, executive, and regulatory functions which are not constitutionally delegated to the federal government.
We stand opposed to any regionalization of governments, at any level, which results in removal of decision-making powers from the people or those directly elected by the people.
Source: Constitution Party National Platform
The problem with just about all of the federal aid and welfare is that the people and the states have gotten used to it, so instead of being prepared themselves, they just sit back and wait for the federal government to help them.
However, if the federal government and FEMA is going to continue to throw billions of dollars in relief after a disaster, then they need to do all they can to decrease the ammount they are giving away by communicating with and encouraging the state and local governments to do all they can to be prepared before a disaster hits.
I wasn't trying to recruit people for the CP. I was just curious to hear from the folks that are more constitutionally literate than myself.
It looks to me as though the idea (and the elected governing body) of our government of by and for the people has already been overthrown by paper if not action. Is this a reasonable assessment do you think?
90% of federal govt is not constitutional thus it is obvious that we are not governed by the Constitution but by case law - Constitution as interpreted.
This is a parallel situation to every denomination I have head of - they are not governed by the words of Christ but by case law - Christ as interpreted.
If 90% of the government is unconstitutional, then 90% of the government should be abolished!
If case law is unconstitutional it should be ignored and not enforced by the Executive branches of government at both the state and federal levels. The Constitution is supposed to be the Supreme Law of the Land, not the SCOTUS or the POTUS!
None of these Executive Orders appear to be constitutional, but then the constitution was thrown out the window when FDR took over.
Not only is it the most powerful entity in the United States, but it was not even created under Constitutional law by the Congress. It was a product of a Presidential Executive Order. No, it is not the U.S. military nor the Central Intelligence Agency, they are subject to Congress. The organization is called FEMA, which stands for the Federal Emergency Management Agency. Originally conceived in the Richard Nixon Administration, it was refined by President Jimmy Carter and given teeth in the Ronald Reagan and George Bush Administrations.
It is not Constitutional by any means.And grudgingly I agree with the assesment that has been posted. The powers of FEMA is lawfully listed in the Federal Registry. Certainly these laws need to be repealed.
The U.S. Constitution pretty much went down the drain starting in 1861 under President Abraham Lincoln.
The red cross symbolizes FEMA's final solution for Christians during the Tribulation.
The above copied from: "CIA orders arrest and execution of Christians in USA" at:
[ September 12, 2005, 11:01 PM: Message edited by: prophecynut ]
Kinds of Martyrdom
What kinds of martyrdom are there? In the Orthodox Church there are three kinds: white, green, and red. White martyrdom is giving up all of one's wealth for the sake of the Gospel and becoming a monk or a hermit. Green martyrdom, while less radical, nevertheless entails living an austere life so that one can experience God more deeply and share God with others. Red martyrdom is the martyrdom of shedding blood. Kallistos Timothy Ware, in his book on the Orthodox Church, observes that the Orthodox had not experienced martyrdom of the blood for a long period until the advent of Marxism. In earlier centuries, however, when Orthodox communities were under the Ottoman Empire, there was much martyrdom of blood.
If FEMA is unconstitutional as it appears to be then it is an illegal agency operating under the color of law with no real power to excercise over the American people. The only way it has any power at all is through our ignorance of the law and our continued willingness to be subservient to government "officials".
Is this about right?
Prophecy nut, you are really into 'conspiracy theories' ain'tcha?
Agree poncho, and sorry to say there's nothing we can do to change it.
But a super majority of the voters are satisfied with the current situation or at least not sufficiently dissatisfied to vote for a third party.
Second, young people seldom vote and old people always vote. The AARP plus the NEA can swing any election.
I agree with that billwald. Most likely the super majority of voters are ignorant that the government and courts operate under the color of law instead of upholding it.
Education is desperately needed I reckon for the young and old alike for our republic to survive the usurpation of power by the elites.
Otherwise we may as well resign ourselves to living in the North Amerikan Soviet Socialist State of Amerika.