Contraception

There is an interesting discussion regarding Contraception going on in the "General Baptist " section of the forum. The pro-contraception crowd seems to take and imply certain positions which just shows how far the anti-life mentality has reached christian circles.

Pro- contraception Arguments and positions(as restated and summarized by me)

Argument 1-"Because contraception is possible it must be from God not from Satan"

FYI back in the day when all christians taught against contraception pre-1935, Planned Parenthood (then known as the Birth Control League was fighting for contraceptive rights, they tried and have succcesfully indoctrniated the public into thinking that children are burdens not blessings. Ofcourse their next natural move after convincing the public and some churches that contraception was moral because it stopped burdens (aka children)was to stop those burdens through other means abortion)

Argument 2-Yes scripture teaches fertility is a blessing and barrennnes a curse, so its only natural that I try to make myself barren through chemical or other means

Argument 3- Yes children are a blessing from God according to scripture but God gave me a brain to pro-actively block any blessings he may want to bestow on me (not from scripture- Also first known as "First my will be done then yours Lord")

Argument 4 -If I trusted in the Lord as you say the I couldn't go to the doctor to treat or prevent any disease, because I equate the possibility of children as an attack on my body from an unwanted disease.

This one really shows how successful Planned Parenthood has been indoctrinating the public that children are a curse not a blessing from God.


Please let me know your thoughts especially any that relate to scripture.

 

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Jim

The theology that children at some point are no longer blessings, is interesting theology its just not christian theology.

Scripture teaches us that children are always a blessing

If you have scriptures which teach differently please provide examples.

 

Tatertot

Practicing self control is a virtue.

To use contraception to purposefully frustrate the natural purpose of marital relations is sinful. God by his grace allows us to participate in the miracle of creation, a being in God's own image. By closing yourself off to the possibility of life during marital relations you turn your spouse into an object whose purpose is to satiate a carnal desire.

To say it is an act love is a farce, you effectively are saying that yes I love all of you xcept your God given fertility which i do not want to share with you infact I wish it to be destroyed.

Prior to the 1930's all christian viewed contraception as sinful and most looked at it as no different than sodomy, it is this secular cultural which has warped the views of christians without christians even realizing how much they have embraced this anti-life outlook.

 

With God all things are possible as long as you are open to lthe miracle of creation, then you are participating in the natural order of things as God designed them. There is huge difference between being infertile and purposely destroying your God given fertility. i will give an example in a moment.

I assume you mean something like NFP (naturally family planning.) I have no issue related to people abstaining the couple to couple league for instance helps couple understand how to make this part of their life, and scripture endorses the virtue of self control, which abstaining would be an example of. scripture however does not promote treating your spouse solely as object to satisfy a carnal desire.

Let me give you an example

Lets say you have two people who are watching their weight, David and Harry.

David really enjoys eating food but he understandst that the natural purpose of eating is for sustanance as well as our enjoyment, he eats in moderation but he makes sure he enjoys himself when he eats and he is open to the natural consequences of his actions

Harry on the other hand is a glutton, he does not want to gain weight and he doesn't want to face the natural consequences of his actions. He stuffs himself with all the french pastries, steak, shrimp, and milshakes he can eat at every meal. Then when he is done he heads over to the nearest receptacle and vomits out his meal.

According to the logic of people who contracept David and Harry's acts are identical as they both are just watching their weight but in different ways. However if you read the Bible you understand David simply practices self control and Harry is a glutton.

As you could guess Harry also contracepts, he doesn't want children he is afraid of the vacattion or car he would have to give up or the less expensive neighborhod he would have to move to and vomits out his seed in a rubber resepticle and wastes his seed.

David on the other hand practices natural family planning and sometimes abstains from relations but even in times when he is not abstaining he is open to God's will, as it is God who opens and closes the womb.

 

It is not. Tater Tot please read or reread the example I gave regarding applying the same logic to eating, something we all more easily relate to. Tell me if you equate the two methods of managing your weight.

One cooperates with the natural order established by God the other defies it.

The moral law from the OT (i.e homosexuality) is not to be ignored on the contrary by the grace of the Holy Spirit we are even called to a higher standard.

Homosexuality and contraception are similar sins.

Have you ever thought of why homosexuality is so offensive to God.

Think about it, Got to run talk on this more later.

Merry Christ-Mass