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  1. RTS

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    I grew up in a Missionary Baptist church and am now strongly considering joining the Catholic Church. I have studied extensively and have yet to find a good arguement against doing so. I would like some other educated perspectives on this matter to help me make my decision. [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  2. dclark14

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    There are some comparisons that must be made here:
    1-Concerning grace- The Bible says:"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men,the man Christ Jesus."(1 Timothy 2:5")
     
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    There are some comparisons that must be made here:
    1-Concerning one mediator- The Bible says:"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men,the man Christ Jesus."(1 Timothy 2:5)The Roman Catholic church teaches:"Nevertheless on account of the union of sorrow between mother and son.. it has been given to the august Virgin to be the most powerful mediator and advocate for the whole world with her only begotten Son".(Pius X ad Diem Ullum, 1904).
    2-Concerning Grace- The Bible says that grace is given spiritually (Born of The Spirit):"It is the Spirit that quickens; the flesh profits nothing: The words that I speak unto you, they are spirit and they are life".(John 6:63). The Roman Catholic church teaches that grace is born from physical signs:"If anyone says that by the sacraments of the New Law grace is not conferred ex opere operato (From the work worked) but that faith alone in the divine promise is sufficient to obtain grace, let him be anathama" (Canons and decrees of the Council of Trent.)
    There are many other comparisons that can be made, and the decision must then come to Biblical truth versus church doctrine that denies this truth.I'll be praying for you and the decision that you must make.
     
  4. Trotter

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    Ask yourself this: which is your final authority, the word of God or the traditions of man? Does the Bible hold absolute authority, or does the words of a pope?

    Something to think about.

    In Christ,
    Trotter
     
  5. rbrent

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    FIVE REASONS WHY NO BIBLE BELIEVING CHRISTIAN SHOULD EVER BECOME A ROMAN CATHOLIC

    (1) THE TRINITY OF GOD IS USURPED!

    The Pope claims the place and names that belong to God alone (Vatican II, Lumen Gentium, III para. 18).
    God, the Father: He claims he is "The Holy Father". This is the unique name of God the Father.

    John 17:11 "And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are." — ‘Thine own name!’ It is God's name alone - it cannot belong to anyone else.

    Matthew 23:9 "And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father , which is in heaven."

    God, the Son: Pope claims he is "The Head of the Church". This title belongs to Christ alone.

    Colossians 1:18 "And [Christ] is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence."

    Ephesians 5:23 "For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body."

    God, the Holy Spirit: Pope claims he is "The Vicar of Christ". This is the office of the Holy Spirit alone.

    John 14:26 "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."

    The Pope even takes the very name of God. The New York Catechism calls the Pope, "the arbiter of the world, the supreme judge of heaven and earth, the judge of all, being judged by no one, God Himself on earth." THE TRINITY OF GOD IS USURPED IN ROMAN CATHOLICISM!

    (2) THE INTERMEDIATION OF CHRIST USURPED!

    The Bible states, "There is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time" (1 Timothy 2:5,6).

    Rome claims that in her masses she can repeat the sacrifice of the cross and change the wafer and wine into the very body and very blood of Christ. She claims that she perpetuates the sacrifice of the cross (Eucharisticum Mysterium, Intro. C, 1). Again, "In the sacrifice of the Mass our Lord is immolated" [killed as a victim] (Ibid, C, 2).

    Christ cried on the cross, “It is finished " John 19:30.

    Hebrews 9:25,26 "Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself."

    Hebrews 10:12 "But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God."


    Rome has elevated Mary to the place of mediation. John Paul II states that "in Mary is effected the reconciliation of God with humanity" (On Reconciliation and Penance. St. Paul Editions, p. 139).

    No Christian can accept "The Cult of the Blessed Virgin" (Vatican II, Lumen Gentium, VIII para. 66). It is idolatrous and an insult to our Lord Jesus Christ.

    THE INTERMEDIATION OF CHRIST IS USURPED BY ROMAN CATHOLICISM!

    (3) THE AUTHORITY OF THE BIBLE USURPED!

    The Church of Rome cannot establish her false claims that she alone is the preserver of God’s Word and the maintainer of the Truths of the same. Rome is far from being a believer in the Bible as the sole rule of faith and practice.

    Her rejection of the Bible as the sole rule of faith and practice has been brought about by the many additions she has made to Holy Scripture.

    The command and warning of God is crystal clear that the Bible must not be added to.

    Deuteronomy 4:2 "Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you."

    Deuteronomy 12:32 "What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it."

    Proverbs 30:6 "Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar."

    Jeremiah 23:28 "He that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully."

    Revelation 22:18 "If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book."

    Now the Church of Rome has been found to be a liar and has had added to itself the plagues of the Apocalypse – as God stated in Proverbs 30:6 and Revelation 22:18 – because they've added to God’s Word.
    Rome adds to God’s Word by adding more books to the Canonical Scriptures, known as the Apocryphal Books.

    These books were never received by the Jewish Church (Romans 3:2); they were never quoted by Christ; they were rejected by the Christian Fathers; and they are self-evidently not inspired. The writer apologises for defects (2 Maccabees 15:39) and one seemingly commands suicide.

    They are no part of Holy Scripture; yet, they were added into the Canon by the Church of Rome to make up Rome’s Bible.

    Rome also adds to the Bible apostolic and ecclesiastical traditions. Oral tradition evolved into written tradition and the unreliability of oral tradition is exposed in John 21:22,23.

    Rome also adds that the interpretation of Scripture must have the "unanimous consent of the fathers". Alas the fathers were far from being unanimous. They contradicted themselves and rarely consented.

    In fact, strange to relate Gregory the Great Bishop of Rome stated that the Bishop who claimed to be the Universal Bishop is the forerunner of the Antichrist (Gregory Reqisto. Epist. 1.b. v11. Ind. Is epis 33 ed Benet Domisitos).

    Jesus Christ warned against tradition and stated, "Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men" (Matthew 15:3,6,9).

    Rome stands out as a self-exposed liar and as the target of the judgments of Almighty God by her deliberate adding to the Holy Scriptures of Truth.

    At the end of the 19th century Rome added on to the Scripture, the doctrine of infallibility of the Pope, having for years said that the doctrine of the infallibility of the Pope was a "Protestant falsehood" (see Papal Catechism). THE AUTHORITY OF THE BIBLE IS USURPED BY ROMAN CATHOLICISM!

    (4) THE REMISSION OF SINS IS USURPED!

    John Paul II states "It would be foolish and presumptuous … to claim to receive forgiveness while doing without the sacrament" of penance. (On Reconciliation and Penance p.115)

    POPE JOHN PAUL II IS A BIBLE-REJECTING HERETIC!

    JOHN PAUL II further insists that the individual confession to a priest to receive absolution from him "constitutes the only ordinary way in which the faithful who are conscious of serious sin are reconciled to God" (Ibid, p.132).

    The Bible shows us that the way to true remission of sins is clearly contrary to that of the way of Popes, earthly priests, absolutions, and penances:

    Ezra 10:11 "Make confession unto the Lord God."

    Psalm 32:5 "I will confess my transgressions unto the LORD; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin."

    Matthew 11:28 "Come unto me , all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest."

    The Lord Jesus never put any earthly priest or Pope between Himself and the sinner. THE REMISSION OF SINS IS USURPED BY ROMAN CATHOLICISM!

    (5) THE ASSURANCE OF SALVATION USURPED!

    Rome has put her curse on the Bible way of salvation. "If any man says that it is by the righteousness of Christ itself that men are formally justified – let him be accursed" (Council of Trent, Session 6, Canon 10).

    "Sins must be expiated. This must be done in this earth through the sorrows, miseries, and trials of this life and above all through death. Otherwise the expiation must be made in the next life through fire and torments of purifying punishments" (Indulgentiarum Doctrina, I para. 2).

    Rome thereby removes all assurances a sinner may hope to receive of their eternal salvation. However, the Bible paints for us a very different picture in which "the vilest offender who truly believes, that moment from Jesus a pardon receives."

    1 Corinthians 1:30 "Jesus Christ is made unto us … righteousness."

    Romans 5:18 "By the obedience of one (Our Lord Himself) shall many be made righteous."

    1 John 1:7 "The blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin."

    Purgatory is not found in the Bible. There is no future wrath for justified sinners.

    Romans 5:9 "Being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him."

    You can be saved now and have full assurance of faith in the certainty that you know you have eternal life. You require no priest but Christ alone (Hebrews 4:15). You require no sacrifice but Christ alone (1 John 1:7). You require no mediator but Christ alone (1 Timothy 2:5).

    The Pope’s "bad news" points you to Purgatory – a non-existent place! The Lord Jesus Christ’s good news (or gospel) points you to Heaven by simple faith in Himself. Good news indeed!

    Remember what Peter said in Acts 4:12 "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."

    Be warned! Rome's Catholicism is not Christian. THE ASSURANCE OF SALVATION IS USURPED BY ROMAN CATHOLICISM! (from the EIPS website)
     
  6. Dr. Bob

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    Cannot envision that, friend, but you should post this request on the "Other Religion" forum too. We have some Catholics there (who will give you their opinions) and you can read some threads there and see their beliefs.

    Far from the Bible. Far . . far . . far.
     
  7. RaptureReady

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    Let me just say that there is more to the catholic church that meets the eye.
     
  8. RTS

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    Care to elaborate on that one? I've read pretty extensively and haven't met the beast yet.
     
  9. Daniel David

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    RTS, what you will find is alot of the same terms. However, the definitions are vastly different.

    Examples:

    1. Justification

    Christian - God imputes his righteousness to the believing sinner, that the sinner might be seen as righteous.

    Catholic - God INFUSES his righteousness to the sinner to believes and works (sacraments), that the sinner might hope to become righteous.

    The difference is whether or not one is even saved. By definition, catholics are not christian.
     
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    I'm sort of the opposite of you, RTS- I'm a former Roman Catholic, and about four months ago, converted to Independent Baptist. I didn't know much about the Catholic faith while I was part of it, but now that I've studied it extensively after converting to Baptist, I cannot BELIEVE the stuff that I was taught to believe as a Catholic. I didn't know half the stuff Catholics believe, because they don't tell you it. You have to believe the Pope and priests, and you're almost encouraged to NOT read your Bible. Catholicism relies HEAVILY on tradition, and interprets the Bible for you. Also, you have to WORK for your salvation. Catholic law actually states that a Catholic CANNOT know for SURE if they're going to Heaven when they die, and it's a blasphemy for you to say something like that. In the end, it's your decision, RTS, but I really hope that you reconsider, pray about it, and make the right decision.
     
  11. RaptureReady

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    Care to elaborate on that one? I've read pretty extensively and haven't met the beast yet. </font>[/QUOTE]Check these sites out.

    http://www.biblebelievers.com/bennett/bennett_differences.html

    http://www.biblebelievers.com/bennett/bennett_antichrist-unveil.html

    http://www.biblebelievers.com/bennett/bennett_papal_persecution.html

    http://www.biblebelievers.com/bennett/bennett_true-false.html

    These may be shocking, so beware,
    http://jesus-is-lord.com/anti4.htm

    http://www.ewtn.com/holyland2000/gallery/gallery6.asp#
     

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