1. Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Featured Cops Have Killed Every 8 Hours in 2015, Sending At Least Three People to Early Graves

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by poncho, Aug 10, 2015.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Zaac

    Zaac Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2012
    Messages:
    13,757
    Likes Received:
    222
    This is one of the sincerely stupid things people keep repeating. Neither disobeying a police request nor disrespecting a police officer should be a license for the police to kill you.
     
  2. targus

    targus New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2008
    Messages:
    8,459
    Likes Received:
    0
    And playing in traffic should not be a license for drivers to hit kids...

    But that is what happens when kids play in traffic.
     
  3. Revmitchell

    Revmitchell Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2006
    Messages:
    52,013
    Likes Received:
    3,649
    Faith:
    Baptist
    No but it is a license to put your backside in jail.
     
  4. Zaac

    Zaac Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2012
    Messages:
    13,757
    Likes Received:
    222
    Again sincerely stupid as there is no comparison by loving, Christ following rational people to be made about someone ACCIDENTALLY killing a child who may have been playing in traffic and police officers CHOOSING to kill/or try to kill someone just because they feel disrespected or disobeyed.

    That makes them and the folks who feel they have the right to do so the equivalent of the gang bangers who murder because they feel like they have been disrespected.
     
  5. poncho

    poncho Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2004
    Messages:
    19,657
    Likes Received:
    128
    Strawman alert! [​IMG]
     
  6. Zaac

    Zaac Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2012
    Messages:
    13,757
    Likes Received:
    222
    We agree on this. I don't have a problem with the police locking people up for breaking the law. But it is beyond senseless for people to continuously be losing their lives because the police felt disobeyed or disrespected.

    The Nazis used to do that.

    Folks during Jim Crow used to do that.

    How many people have to be killed before we acknowledge that this is a national epidemic?
     
  7. targus

    targus New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2008
    Messages:
    8,459
    Likes Received:
    0
    Police officers do not "kill someone just because they feel disrespected or disobeyed".

    But an attitude of disrespect or not following lawful instructions can cause an officer to feel that he may be dealing with someone who will do him harm.

    The point being: Don't unnecessarily put yourself into a situation which may end in harm to yourself.

    That can lead to judgements that end in deadly force against a suspect.
     
  8. Zaac

    Zaac Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2012
    Messages:
    13,757
    Likes Received:
    222
    Videos would disagree.
    Nothing but an excuse to legitimize taking a life.

    Then they don't need to be police.
     
  9. Revmitchell

    Revmitchell Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2006
    Messages:
    52,013
    Likes Received:
    3,649
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Ok one cannot "feel" disobeyed, disobedience is a physical thing. Police put up with disrespect all the time without any use of force being used. The moment disobedience occurs the cops lives are now and always potentially at risk. It matters not what the disobedience is. The reason for this is from experience simple things like traffic stops have turned deadly because the law breaker of a simple thing like a traffic law being broken has beaten or killed police officers.

    They do not do this because of the way they have been treated, they do it because they live a life of crime and it is in their hearts to do it. That is where sin comes from. We can never blame how we have been treated for the sin we commit.
     
  10. Revmitchell

    Revmitchell Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2006
    Messages:
    52,013
    Likes Received:
    3,649
    Faith:
    Baptist
    You mean edited videos that are made to look that way.
     
  11. carpro

    carpro Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2004
    Messages:
    25,823
    Likes Received:
    1,167
    Faith:
    Baptist
    A good example:

    Michael Brown. He deserved what he got.
     
  12. poncho

    poncho Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2004
    Messages:
    19,657
    Likes Received:
    128
    Are you going to give Planned Parenthood credit for that fallacy or claim it as your own?
     
  13. Zaac

    Zaac Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2012
    Messages:
    13,757
    Likes Received:
    222
    Sure you can feel disobeyed. It may occur after the physical thing, but you CAN feel disobeyed. The person may not think they have disobeyed, but the police may certainly FEEL that they have.

    Again, no disagreement. But what we are seeing is instance after instance where the police are perhaps unnecessarily making things worse by their own attitudes and disrespect toward the people with whom they are dealing.

    But the police can use "how they have been treated" to justify killing and asking questions afterwards.?
     
  14. poncho

    poncho Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2004
    Messages:
    19,657
    Likes Received:
    128
    One example down and only 703 more to go . . .
     
  15. Zaac

    Zaac Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2012
    Messages:
    13,757
    Likes Received:
    222
    As Poncho noted, Planned Parenthood said the same thing. DO you give them the same benefit of the doubt?

    Who is to say that the police aren't editing their video? At the rate that they are killing people, why do we readily take their word?

    It's as though we have systemically given them a fail check way to kill people with no or next to no questions asked.

    That's dangerous and pretty much a de facto "police state". Seems to be one step closer to allowing the government to have free reign to do as they like because we just accept without challenge that their behavior is just.

    How many times do we have to hear "I feared for my life" before just, Christ-following people realize that there is a script? And where there is a script, there is a plot.
     
  16. Zaac

    Zaac Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2012
    Messages:
    13,757
    Likes Received:
    222
    Classless comment.
     
    #36 Zaac, Aug 10, 2015
    Last edited by a moderator: Aug 10, 2015
  17. poncho

    poncho Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2004
    Messages:
    19,657
    Likes Received:
    128
    And what about the people who have already been "subdued" who get beaten while they are shackled and or in custody?

    Do cops have a special right or duty to punish people who disrespect them?
     
  18. Revmitchell

    Revmitchell Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2006
    Messages:
    52,013
    Likes Received:
    3,649
    Faith:
    Baptist
    I do not give anyone the benefit of the doubt. I would say that comparing the PP vids to cops vids are apples and refrigerators. The reason is when a video is taken of a cop apprehending a suspect then often it gets edited where the reason for the use of force is left out which justifies the cops behavior.

    In the case of PP there is no context in which their talks about what they do with slaughtered unborn children can be justified.

    This is just false hyperbole and has no place in reasonable discussions.
     
  19. Zaac

    Zaac Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2012
    Messages:
    13,757
    Likes Received:
    222
    Precisely. And has this always gone on and we're just starting to believe it because we're seeing videos and thinking "this is crazy"?

    It's the sort of things you expect to see out of corrupt police in a movie, but it's all too real.

    But it seems as though a lot of people are okay with cops doing things to "punish" folks who have disrespected them after they have been subdued.
     
  20. Revmitchell

    Revmitchell Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2006
    Messages:
    52,013
    Likes Received:
    3,649
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Yes because criminals never resist or try to make attempts to hurt cops after they are arrested. :laugh:
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
Loading...